Guest Alex Posted April 20, 2014 at 12:26 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 12:26 AM I have a class project and I wanna get an absolute A . I have bought this book on kindle and it has helped me answer a lot of the problems I have pertaining to Roberts Rules. Except this question has really stumped me. Can any of you experts weigh in ? Problem A:1. Motion that class visit local radio station2. Second to motion3. Discussion to motion 4. Amendment to add on next Thursday evening5. Second to amendment6. Discussion of amendment7. Motion that action on matter be postponed until tomorrowThere is at least 7 steps I can use here which I'm totally drawing a blank on . We are supposed to write the next step or motion and this one happens to have 7 of them or so. Can anyone please help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted April 20, 2014 at 12:45 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 12:45 AM Look in the book -- what book exactly did you get on Kindle? -- at the chart on the first of the "tinted edge" pages. Any motion above "Postpone to a certain time" may be made as #8 in your problem. And so forth, on up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted April 20, 2014 at 01:04 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 01:04 AM Roberts Rules in plain and simple English . I can buy another book if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldon Merritt Posted April 20, 2014 at 02:34 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 02:34 AM Roberts Rules in plain and simple English . I can buy another book if need be.Definitely "need be." You need to get the Right Book (which, unfortunately, is not currently available in a Kindle edition). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted April 20, 2014 at 02:49 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 02:49 AM A bit of nitpicking but after the motion is seconded (between steps 2 & 3 and 5 & 6) the Chair should be stating the question. Not sure if those 7 steps were given to you by the teacher but if so hopefully you can get extra credit by citing RONR pp. 37-42 to show their process was incomplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted April 20, 2014 at 05:07 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 05:07 AM Are you positive on this issue crystal ? And also nobody could come up with a few more steps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted April 20, 2014 at 05:09 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 05:09 AM And yes they were given to me by a teacher on a piece of paper typed out with no references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nancy N. Posted April 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM Maybe it's been too long since I've been in school, but what is the question that the problem presents (aside from the flaw in the question itself, as Chris Harrison points out)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted April 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM It's rather difficult to deal with such a poorly written question, and so if the only thing that you are supposed to do is, as you say, "write the next step or motion", then I would write "8. Second to motion to postpone", and let it go at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted April 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM And instead of the Kindle rip-off, take a look at... RONRIB:"Roberts Rules of Order Newly Revised In Brief", Updated Second Edition (Da Capo Press, Perseus Books Group, 2011). It is a splendid summary of all the rules you will really need in all but the most exceptional situations. And only $7.50! You can read it in an evening. Get both RONRIB and RONR (scroll down) at this link. Or in your local bookstore. (Not available, unfortunately, on Kindle. It is available on a somewhat costly CD, that only works on Windows.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bvegas80 Posted April 20, 2014 at 09:42 PM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 09:42 PM Here is exactly what I was given. My only problems arise with problem E: I think Chris Harrison nailed it . My teacher stated problem E would be the only series of problems that we would have to do more then 1 step . Thank you for all the help so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted April 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM Are you positive on this issue crystal ? Am I the only one waiting to hear what crystal has to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nancy N. Posted April 21, 2014 at 09:02 AM Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 at 09:02 AM Never mind, I see it now. I suppose someone could also jump up and scream about the jackhammers next door, p. 229. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted April 21, 2014 at 02:58 PM Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 at 02:58 PM Chris Harrison is wrong. You don't have to state the question after step 3 because an amendment was made, and certainly don't have to during the discussion of the amendment, because the problem was following the order of precedence . Thus, don't listen to Chris Harrison . I can easily answer your problem btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted April 21, 2014 at 03:31 PM Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 at 03:31 PM Chris Harrison is wrong. You don't have to state the question after step 3 because an amendment was made, and certainly don't have to during the discussion of the amendment, because the problem was following the order of precedence . Thus, don't listen to Chris Harrison . I can easily answer your problem btw. What Chris Harrison said was that the chair should have stated the question on the main motion after it was seconded and before discussion on it began (between steps 2 & 3), and that the chair should have stated the question on the motion to amend after it was seconded and before discussion on it began (between steps 5 & 6), all of which is entirely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted April 21, 2014 at 04:11 PM Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 at 04:11 PM What Chris Harrison said was that the chair should have stated the question on the main motion after it was seconded and before discussion on it began (between steps 2 & 3), and that the chair should have stated the question on the motion to amend after it was seconded and before discussion on it began (between steps 5 & 6), all of which is entirely correct.Vindication! BTW, Guest_Guest_ kindly read the responses and any citations given before making any response of your own. If you want to disagree with a reply that is fine but be respectful when doing it and telling the OP not to listen to me showed a marked lack of respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted April 21, 2014 at 05:23 PM Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 at 05:23 PM I have a class project and I wanna get an absolute A . I have bought this book on kindle and it has helped me answer a lot of the problems I have pertaining to Roberts Rules. Except this question has really stumped me. Can any of you experts weigh in ?Problem A:1. Motion that class visit local radio station2. Second to motion3. Discussion to motion4. Amendment to add on next Thursday evening5. Second to amendment6. Discussion of amendment7. Motion that action on matter be postponed until tomorrowThere is at least 7 steps I can use here which I'm totally drawing a blank on . We are supposed to write the next step or motion and this one happens to have 7 of them or so. Can anyone please help. As noted, the next step is a second on the motion to postpone. If you need to do more than that, it will get a bit complicated, as there aren't enough facts to determine whether the chair should state the question on the motion to postpone or rule it out of order - specifically, it's not clear whether the assembly has already scheduled a meeting for the following day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted April 21, 2014 at 07:08 PM Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 at 07:08 PM Chris Harrison is wrong. You don't have to state the question after step 3 because an amendment was made, and certainly don't have to during the discussion of the amendment, because the problem was following the order of precedence . Thus, don't listen to Chris Harrison . I can easily answer your problem btw. Yes, i always trust anonymous persons on the Internet for the answers to all my problems. What could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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