Guest William Edwards Posted May 28, 2014 at 06:03 AM Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 at 06:03 AM Can a person giving a report which will be voted on, at the conclusion of his report be the first to move for acceptance of his his report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted May 28, 2014 at 10:21 AM Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 at 10:21 AM Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 28, 2014 at 11:00 AM Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 at 11:00 AM Though a few more details might change my course of thinking, p. 508 ll. 4-10 (RONR 11th Ed.) say it should be someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted May 28, 2014 at 12:03 PM Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 at 12:03 PM Though a few more details might change my course of thinking, p. 508 ll. 4-10 (RONR 11th Ed.) say it should be someone else. p. 508 deals with the rare case where the society is to adopt the report in its entirety. In most cases, it is only necessary to adopt the recommendations in the report, in which case the reporting member would normally make the motion. Which I can't seem to get my head around that. What could possibly be gained by someone other than the reporting member making the motion to adopt the entire report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 28, 2014 at 12:31 PM Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 at 12:31 PM p. 508 deals with the rare case where the society is to adopt the report in its entirety. In most cases, it is only necessary to adopt the recommendations in the report, in which case the reporting member would normally make the motion. All true, though I'm not sure what Guest_William is actually asking about. He writes about "acceptance of" the report, and makes no mention of recommendations, if any. It may be that the report is purely informational and as such, is not accepted or adopted or approved or anything except placed on file. Perhaps Guest_William will return to fill in some details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted May 28, 2014 at 03:48 PM Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 at 03:48 PM Which I can't seem to get my head around that. What could possibly be gained by someone other than the reporting member making the motion to adopt the entire report? Less motions to adopt the entire report, since RONR notes it is seldom wise to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted May 28, 2014 at 04:29 PM Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 at 04:29 PM Less motions to adopt the entire report, since RONR notes it is seldom wise to do so. But if it is a bad idea, it is a bad idea no matter who makes the motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted May 28, 2014 at 04:48 PM Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 at 04:48 PM But if it is a bad idea, it is a bad idea no matter who makes the motion. Sure, but you know full well that committee chairmen or reporting members move to adopt their entire report constantly. Disallowing it, and only allowing a member of the regular assembly to make it in rare circumstances is certainly a best practice. I'm not saying that's the principle behind the rule, since the rule was there before any of us were born and I don't know the principle behind it, but the net effect of it is a very good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted May 28, 2014 at 05:15 PM Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 at 05:15 PM Could be, but the chairs of committees tend to be more aware of what motion should be made and when than other people. If they don't make a motion of some kind, you may get a motion whether you wanted one or not, and the wording is likely to be less than ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest William Edwards Posted May 30, 2014 at 03:25 AM Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 at 03:25 AM Thanks for the swift responses to my post. To clarify,. In my Fraternity, when the officers make their various reports detailing the events that have transpired during the last quarter, they always end by moving for acceptance of their report. The report never calls for approval of an action item or makes any recommnedations, just approval and acceptance of the report. Typically goes in this order, Secretary makes a report, moves for acceptance, someone seconds, the presiding officer entertains a few questions from the floor to the secretary who answers, then we vote to approve the report. In this instance is it okay for the secretary to move for acceptance, and in which case would it not be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Ralph Posted May 30, 2014 at 06:14 AM Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 at 06:14 AM Let me ask you a different question. If the vote to "accept" the report was resolved in the negative, what difference do you think it might make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted May 30, 2014 at 09:54 AM Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 at 09:54 AM Thanks for the swift responses to my post. To clarify,. In my Fraternity, when the officers make their various reports detailing the events that have transpired during the last quarter, they always end by moving for acceptance of their report. The report never calls for approval of an action item or makes any recommnedations, just approval and acceptance of the report. Typically goes in this order, Secretary makes a report, moves for acceptance, someone seconds, the presiding officer entertains a few questions from the floor to the secretary who answers, then we vote to approve the report. In this instance is it okay for the secretary to move for acceptance, and in which case would it not be? So, let's suppose the report the Secretary makes is a list of members who owe dues. Now suppose member Abner Brown started to pay his dues, but didn't, resulting in the Secretary making a mistake. If after the Secretary reads the report the society accepts it, it becomes official so Abner Brown no longer owes dues, whether he paid them or not. (At least until the society goes back and amends the report.) But if no such motion were made, the report would be received as information only. Abner Brown would still owe dues and the Secretary could correct the list at the next meeting without an official act of the society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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