Guest That Guy Posted August 2, 2014 at 02:31 AM Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 at 02:31 AM To set the stage, I'm in a group that is bound by RONR but hates to use it because they see it as 'sneaky' and so take every liberty to short-circuit the process, even though everyone has a copy but only uses it to deny someone else a maneuver. I'm slowly winning the battle to get them to do it right, but...It has been an unvoted "tradition" to allow a "pass" vote in both in-person and telephonic meetings, the idea supposedly being that the member "hasn't made up their mind" and wishes a little more time to contemplate. I'll not speak to the motivations for this, as your imagination probably has it figured out already.I don't find it as a permissible vote to make, especially in the ever-constant roll call which telephonic meetings require.Am I wrong? Does the "unvoted tradition (no record of a vote to approve this)" trump RONR in this instance as an established precedent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest That Guy Posted August 2, 2014 at 02:33 AM Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 at 02:33 AM To clarify a bit, the "pass" vote means "finish the roll call, then come back to me for my actual vote". In most instances, the member abstains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted August 2, 2014 at 03:12 AM Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 at 03:12 AM I am not completely sure what your question is but "pass" is a response a member can give during a roll call vote (RONR p. 421 ll. 4-8). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted August 2, 2014 at 03:14 AM Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 at 03:14 AM To set the stage, I'm in a group that is bound by RONR but hates to use it because they see it as 'sneaky' and so take every liberty to short-circuit the process, even though everyone has a copy but only uses it to deny someone else a maneuver. I'm slowly winning the battle to get them to do it right, but...It has been an unvoted "tradition" to allow a "pass" vote in both in-person and telephonic meetings, the idea supposedly being that the member "hasn't made up their mind" and wishes a little more time to contemplate. I'll not speak to the motivations for this, as your imagination probably has it figured out already.I don't find it as a permissible vote to make, especially in the ever-constant roll call which telephonic meetings require.Am I wrong? Does the "unvoted tradition (no record of a vote to approve this)" trump RONR in this instance as an established precedent? Yes, you are wrong. "Pass" is specifically permitted for someone not ready to vote (p. 421, ll. 7-8). Your other question is not relevant, since this is not an "unvoted tradition." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted August 4, 2014 at 05:19 AM Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 at 05:19 AM To set the stage, I'm in a group that is bound by RONR but hates to use it because they see it as 'sneaky' and so take every liberty to short-circuit the process, even though everyone has a copy but only uses it to deny someone else a maneuver. I'm slowly winning the battle to get them to do it right, but...It has been an unvoted "tradition" to allow a "pass" vote in both in-person and telephonic meetings, the idea supposedly being that the member "hasn't made up their mind" and wishes a little more time to contemplate. I'll not speak to the motivations for this, as your imagination probably has it figured out already.I don't find it as a permissible vote to make, especially in the ever-constant roll call which telephonic meetings require.Am I wrong? Does the "unvoted tradition (no record of a vote to approve this)" trump RONR in this instance as an established precedent? When a person responds "Pass" during a roll-call vote, that is not recorded as their vote. That is a request to be temporarily passed over. The next name on the list is called, and when all names have been called, people who passed will have their names called again. At that point, they may cast their vote, or if they wish, may abstain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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