Guest Marcia Posted September 5, 2014 at 01:35 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 at 01:35 AM Scenario: New Board for organization of @175 made up of Pres., VP, Sec., Treasurer, Financial Secretary. Pres. and VP clearly violating article of Constitution and by-laws. After bringing this to their attention, stated the violation. There has not been a response and violation continues. What can be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted September 5, 2014 at 01:42 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 at 01:42 AM See FAQ #20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted September 5, 2014 at 02:32 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 at 02:32 AM FAQ No 20 assumes that you want to remove or expel the president and vice president. Do you? Short of removal from office and expulsion, you have a range of options for dealing with officers who fail to properly perform their duties. Section 62 of Chapter XX of RONR starting on page 650 discusses those options. They include, but aren't necessarily limited to, simply raising a point of order, various forms of censure, removal of the chair for all or part of a session, removal from office and ultimately expulsion. A non-disciplinary form of censure is mentioned in the footnote on page 643. Note: The disciplinary procedures in chapter XX of RONR are very detailed and complicated. I urge you to get a copy of the 11th edition and to study all of chapter XX very carefully, especially section 62 re officer misconduct and dereliction of duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kendo Posted September 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM We ( club I belong to) just went through this as you are now. We called a special meeting with the officers and our club's attorney and had him tell them if they did not follow the by-laws and constitution that we could lose our non-profit status and be shut down by the IRS. He also made it know to them that by not going by your own rules that it is against the law and people could be charged, That scared them enough to do a complete turn around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 16, 2014 at 12:08 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 at 12:08 AM To: guest Kendo #4 and anyone else---- I'd love to hear the particulars/specifics of your situation. It exactly matches what we've been experiencing at our club and that I've been trying to address for 2 years now. HELP Mr, Simons (bobby101) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Simons (bobby101) Posted September 16, 2014 at 11:33 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 at 11:33 AM I have posted a response (#5 above) to guest Kendo (#4 above) who responded to the topic question raised by guest Marcia on 9/4/14 at 8:35 pm. The situation cited by Marcia fits exactly the situation at our club---three by-laws violations by our board. I have been trying for more than two years to address this and trying (unsuccessfully) to get a response from our board. The sanctions ordered by the board on two of our members have already been carried out. The third I have been able to re-address and expect it to be resolved at our annual membership meeting next month. To the RONR managers: Am I able to contact both Marcia to discuss in more detail her situation and Kendo, her solution? I am willing to supply my contact information to both or whatever this group suggests is an appropriate way to speak with them. My goal is to avoid the only other option I see available to me (bringing a suit in court) which I sincerely want to avoid since I expect it will roil the club, something we really don't need. The option for a special meeting is out because of time constraints with our upcoming annual membership meeting about 4 1/2 weeks away. I don't want to complicate this board's agenda unnecessarily. The time constraint is real despite the fact that I raised these issues with our new President in early January this year. He responded to this January request and said he'd get back to me in a few days. It took him (after I prodded him again) until June to respond. Eager to hear from the group but especially to be in personal touch with Kendo and Marcia. I'm including my personal contact information for both as part of this post to give them the option of contacting me, if they're are willing and this group's policy is to not share contact information about its members. And, yes, I note that both Kendo and Marcia are guests. I really want to resolve this situation in the most expeditious and fair way. I am not interested in punishing or sanctioning the board in any way. Help needed and fast! Mr. Simons (bobby101) My contact information is: bobby1011@verizon.net and 610 543 6271 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted September 16, 2014 at 12:30 PM Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 at 12:30 PM To the RONR managers: Am I able to contact both Marcia to discuss in more detail her situation and Kendo, her solution? I am willing to supply my contact information to both or whatever this group suggests is an appropriate way to speak with them. Forum members are able to send messages to other forum members. I would not advise posting personal e-mail addresses and/or phone numbers on a public forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mr. Simons Posted September 16, 2014 at 12:45 PM Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 at 12:45 PM Mr. Guest; Thanks for your advice. I've heard it from a number of friends and associates and value their thoughts as I do yours. Frankly, it's a measure of my desperately looking for any way to avoid bringing suit against an organization that I've been a member of for more than 30 years and have served for a good portion of that time. We have experienced a rogue board that we're trying to slowly replace through the election process. I really want to speak to Nancy and Marcia. Mr. Simons (bobby101) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted September 16, 2014 at 01:12 PM Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 at 01:12 PM Forum members are able to send messages to other forum members. I would not advise posting personal e-mail addresses and/or phone numbers on a public forum. I agree with "Edgar's" advice, for several reasons. Foremost is that Google's search engine or "crawler" or whatever they call it scans the RONR forum and picks up the posts here, so your email address and phone number may wind up all over the internet. As a guest, I don't think you can edit posts, but as a member you can. If you cannot edit it, you might consider sending Mr. Honemann or Boss Lady a private message asking them if they can edit out your email address and/or phone number... unless you are ok with them being picked up by Google. I believe you are already registered using one of your names. If not, I suggest you do so and that you then post a comment in here asking Nancy and Marcia to do the same. You can then use the forum private message feature to communicate in private or just to exchange contact information. You have to be a member to use that, I believe. Being a member of the forum has lots of advantages... the best of which is not having to fool with those darned capthas any more!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Simons or bobby101 Posted September 16, 2014 at 01:27 PM Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 at 01:27 PM Mr. Brown: Thank you for your comments. Frankly, I can't imagine getting many more unwanted phone calls or emails than I currently do but you may be right. I'm a relative newcomer to RONR but have found it enormously helpful in giving me insight and practical and useful advice on how to proceed. And, I'm very grateful for that. I'm hopeful that Nancy and Marcia will read and respond to my posting. I can really use their input. Mr. Simons (bobby101). Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bobby101 Posted September 16, 2014 at 11:53 PM Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 at 11:53 PM Nothing yet from either Nancy or Marcia. I continue to hope and look for some contact from them. I believe it can really help me out of a course of action I don't want to pursue but may have to. Mr. Simons (bobby101) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted September 16, 2014 at 11:59 PM Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 at 11:59 PM Mr, Simons (bobby101) Mr. Simons (bobby101) Mr. Simons (bobby101) Mr. Simons (bobby101) Mr. Simons (bobby101) Since you're a member, it might help if you'd consistently post as a member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby101 Posted September 17, 2014 at 01:54 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 at 01:54 PM Mr. Guest. Mr. Simons here. I think I've been replying as a member but if I'm not, I apologize. I'm still a newcomer to the RONR forum and probably have made some errors. Nonetheless, I'm grateful for the guidance that you and others have provided me and cleared up some of my misunderstandings. The RONR discussion forum has been a valuable resource and I am now a dedicated and loyal follower. Thank you for your help. bobby101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted September 17, 2014 at 02:08 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 at 02:08 PM Mr. Guest. Mr. Simons here. I think I've been replying as a member but if I'm not, I apologize. Bobby, in this thread, at least, you have been replying in all kinds of guest names, but not once as "member" bobby101 except for this one that I'm replying to. Just sign in every time. It is SO much easier than having to go through that captha thing as a guest. If you click on "post" after drafting a comment and the system gives you a captha, that is telling you that you are posting as a guest and not logged in as a member. Members don't have to go through the captha nonsense... as long as they are logged in as members. Edited to add: In fact, that just happened to me. When I clicked on "post" to post the above comment, the system asked me do the captha thing. That let me know that "oops... I'm not signed in". So I signed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted September 17, 2014 at 05:57 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 at 05:57 PM That let me know that "oops... I'm not signed in". So I signed in. Well. there's really no reason to ever sign out. Edited to add: it's CAPTCHA, not "captha". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby101 Posted September 17, 2014 at 06:45 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 at 06:45 PM Mr. Brown and Mr. Guest: Thank you; I'll try to comply. bobby101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted September 17, 2014 at 11:51 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 at 11:51 PM Am I able to contact both Marcia to discuss in more detail her situation and Kendo, her solution? There is no way to contact a guest, and they often don't come back, so I doubt they'll contact you. I wouldn't wait up on them. I have been trying for more than two years to address this and trying (unsuccessfully) to get a response from our board. ... My goal is to avoid the only other option I see available to me (bringing a suit in court) which I sincerely want to avoid since I expect it will roil the club, something we really don't need. Yeah, I think we can probably give you a few intermediate options between "talk to the board myself and try to get a voluntary response from them" and "file a lawsuit." Perhaps you should start a new thread explaining all of the relevant facts and we'll take another stab at your situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby101 Posted September 18, 2014 at 07:01 PM Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 at 07:01 PM Josh: Thanks for the encouragment. Doing a lot of running around for the balance of today but will try to "start a new thread", with all the relevant facts and see if you can help. Thank you, bobby101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby101 Posted September 19, 2014 at 09:42 AM Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 at 09:42 AM Josh: To my posting immediately above. Can you tell me what you mean by, "starting a new thread"? I don't want to waste other members' time. I still have a lot issues to seek guidance on. Thank you, bobby1011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted September 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM Josh: To my posting immediately above. Can you tell me what you mean by, "starting a new thread"? "Starting a new thread" means starting a brand new topic, rather than continuing to ask new questions in an existing "thread" or topic. We try to stick to one topic or issue at a time, rather than discussing several issues in one thread. The topic of this conversation, or "thread" is "Officers not following Constitution or bylaws". All posts should relate directly to that issue and the question raised by the OP (Original Poster). Anything else should be discussed in a new topic or "thread". If your question is even slightly different, it really should be in a new thread. From the "General Discussion" home page, click on the black "Start New Topic" link on the far right side of the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby101 Posted September 19, 2014 at 02:39 PM Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 at 02:39 PM Mr. Brown: Thank you for the guidance. bobby101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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