Guest loreen Posted September 21, 2014 at 01:04 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 01:04 PM long established association - does an appointed bylaws committee of the board present proposed changes to the board for approval or simply for review?working rules say for approvalcan you point to RR page # for explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted September 21, 2014 at 01:53 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 01:53 PM Who do the bylaws say is authorized to amend them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transpower Posted September 21, 2014 at 02:05 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 02:05 PM The usual situation is that the report of the bylaws committee goes to the board for review and possible modification. Then the proposed amendments go from the board to the assembly for a vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted September 21, 2014 at 02:11 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 02:11 PM working rules say for approval Then why would you think otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loreen Posted September 21, 2014 at 03:46 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 03:46 PM all amendment go to the membership for final approval but a member is saying our working rules can not specify "approval" by the board before going to the membershipmy thought is since the committee is charged by the board to review and suggest needed amendments - it is proper for them to approve/ modify those sugestionsI know that any member can propose amendments and the board must mosve them forward but this is a bylaws committee charged by the boardI need to respond to the member who say or working rules can not require approval by the board even when it is the committee they charged with review of bylaws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted September 21, 2014 at 03:57 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 03:57 PM long established association - does an appointed bylaws committee of the board present proposed changes to the board for approval or simply for review?working rules say for approval What are these "working rules" that you refer to? Who (what body) adopted them? By virtue of what authority? What do your bylaws say about the process of amending the bylaws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loreen Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:04 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:04 PM bylaws say all amendments will be sent to board for reviewworking rules are the governing rules of board functioning and are created/amended by board only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:24 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:24 PM bylaws say all amendments will be sent to board for reviewworking rules are the governing rules of board functioning and are created/amended by board only Sending something to a board or committee for review is not the same thing as sending it to a board or committee for approval. You are still giving us only very limited information, but I interpret what little you have given us as meaning that the Board reviews proposed bylaw amendments and can make recommendations and suggest amendments, but that approval of the board is neither required nor proper. The final decision rests with the membership. I don't see anything based on what you provided that gives the Board the power to veto a proposed bylaw amendment or to stop it from going to the membership. However, we cannot interpret your bylaws. That is something that only your membership can do. It is not permissible for the Board to give a committee more power than the Board itself has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:26 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:26 PM BYLAWS sayall amendments will be sent to board for review [. . .]WORKING RULES sayfor approval WORKING RULESare the governing rules of board functioning and are created/amended by board only.[. . .] Does an appointed bylaws committee of the board present proposed changes to the board for(a. ) approval, or(b.) simply for review? If you obey your bylaws, then the anwer is "review".If you obey your working rules, then the answer is "approval". Where there is a CONFLICT between rules,then the superior rule prevails,as the inferior rule yields. Bylaws are superior to working rules.Therefore, the amendments are for review only when the board entertains the amendments. That's just logic, based on your own words.I didn't have to interpret any rule.You did the interpretation. So far, there isn't any question concerning Robert's Rules of Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:30 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:30 PM So far, there isn't any question concerning Robert's Rules of Order. Except, perhaps, the question of whether the Board can give the committee more power than the Board itself has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted September 21, 2014 at 07:43 PM Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 at 07:43 PM all amendment go to the membership for final approval but a member is saying our working rules can not specify "approval" by the board before going to the membershipmy thought is since the committee is charged by the board to review and suggest needed amendments - it is proper for them to approve/ modify those sugestionsI know that any member can propose amendments and the board must mosve them forward but this is a bylaws committee charged by the boardI need to respond to the member who say or working rules can not require approval by the board even when it is the committee they charged with review of bylaws bylaws say all amendments will be sent to board for reviewworking rules are the governing rules of board functioning and are created/amended by board only Your bylaws take precedence over the working rules. So if the bylaws provide that the board only has the authority to review the proposed changes, then that's that. See RONR, 11th ed., pgs. 12-15. I'd agree that since the bylaws committee appears to be a committee of the board, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so perhaps this is one amendment to look into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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