Guest Mark S. Posted September 29, 2014 at 04:55 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 at 04:55 PM I was leading a meeting yesterday and there was a vote. Only after the vote did I find out that a voting member had quit a while back and hadn't been in attendance for months, however he did sign in and vote. Can I throw out the entire vote (because I don't know his position) and call for a re-vote. The issue is close and can be determined by a single vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted September 29, 2014 at 05:02 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 at 05:02 PM What (if anything) did the members do to make this (former?) member into a nonmember? Generally speaking someone doesn't become a nonmember by just saying "I quit" and not showing up at meetings for a while unless the organization takes some sort of action to accomplish this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted September 29, 2014 at 05:12 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 at 05:12 PM The issue is close and can be determined by a single vote. Can be, or was determined by a single vote, since you say the meeting already occurred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mark S. Posted September 29, 2014 at 06:43 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 at 06:43 PM This refers to a church issue whereby the former member told the Pastor he was leaving, and didn't show up afterwards, however did show up for the business meeting, sign in, and vote as a member. Had I known he shared his leaving I wouldn't have allowed him to vote. One vote can lead to a different outcome. By cancelling the vote (since I don't know how he voted) and offering a re-vote, it would eliminate all doubt. Is that reasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted September 29, 2014 at 06:51 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 at 06:51 PM This refers to a church issue whereby the former member told the Pastor he was leaving, and didn't show up afterwards, however did show up for the business meeting, sign in, and vote as a member. Had I known he shared his leaving I wouldn't have allowed him to vote. One vote can lead to a different outcome. By cancelling the vote (since I don't know how he voted) and offering a re-vote, it would eliminate all doubt. Is that reasonable? Ok, I'll phrase it another way. If the vote was decided by one vote, a point of order can be raised that he was not eligible to vote. A ruling will be made on his eligibility which is subject to appeal. YOU can't throw anything out personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted September 29, 2014 at 06:52 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 at 06:52 PM This refers to a church issue whereby the former member told the Pastor he was leaving, and didn't show up afterwards, however did show up for the business meeting, sign in, and vote as a member. Had I known he shared his leaving I wouldn't have allowed him to vote. One vote can lead to a different outcome. By cancelling the vote (since I don't know how he voted) and offering a re-vote, it would eliminate all doubt. Is that reasonable? Every church has different rules, but in all of the churches I've been involved with, even if a member said they were leaving, they remained a member until the church voted to remove them from the church roll, either as a form of disciplinary action or when they received a letter from another church informing them that the person had joined the other church. Unless you have some method of automatically removing people, it sounds like the person is still a member, so their vote should be counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted September 29, 2014 at 06:54 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 at 06:54 PM This refers to a church issue whereby the former member told the Pastor he was leaving, and didn't show up afterwards, however did show up for the business meeting, sign in, and vote as a member. Had I known he shared his leaving I wouldn't have allowed him to vote. One vote can lead to a different outcome. By cancelling the vote (since I don't know how he voted) and offering a re-vote, it would eliminate all doubt. Is that reasonable? Ok, I'll phrase it another way. If the vote was decided by one vote, a point of order can be raised that he was not eligible to vote. A ruling will be made on his eligibility which is subject to appeal. YOU can't throw anything out personally. I agree with George Mervosh. The issue seems to be whether this person is still a member and entitled to vote. Generally, someone saying "I quit" and walking out of a meeting does not constitute a resignation. Edited to add: I also agree with the comments by Timothy Fish. He's pretty knowledgeable in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted September 29, 2014 at 07:01 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 at 07:01 PM . . . or when they received a letter from another church informing them that the person had joined the other church. You can't belong to more than one church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted September 29, 2014 at 07:02 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 at 07:02 PM He's pretty knowledgeable in this area. He does seem to know his churches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted September 30, 2014 at 04:50 PM Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 at 04:50 PM You can't belong to more than one church?No rule in RONR would prevent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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