countryhaven Posted December 30, 2014 at 01:47 AM Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 at 01:47 AM in order to make an amendment to the constitution a member must reduce it to writing and have the signatures of 5 members in good standing to bring amendment to the floor then each member shall be notified by mail of the amendment and the motion will be voted on at the next regular meeting an amendment to the constitution shall require a two-thirds majority of all members present. my question is do these rules also apply to the by-laws . or can the by-laws be changed with a motion at any meeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hieu H. Huynh Posted December 30, 2014 at 01:59 AM Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 at 01:59 AM Are the constitution and bylaws separate documents? What do your bylaws say in regards to amending them? "If the bylaws contain no provision for their amendment, they can be amended by a two-thirds vote if previous notice (in the sense defined on p. 121) has been given, or they can be amended by the vote of a majority of the entire membership." (RONR 11th ed., p. 581, ll. 3-7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryhaven Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:09 AM Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:09 AM it is called our constitution and by-laws there are 7 article's in the constitution then it lists all the by-laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:09 AM Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:09 AM If you have both a constitution and bylaws, they are separate documents (and, by definition, the bylaws are subordinate to the constitution). Each of them should include the rules to follow for amending them (or, barely adequately, the constitution can include the rules for amending the bylaws. -- This last is from me, not from RONR.) So, as Mr Huynh implies, if neither the constitution nor the bylaws contain the rules for amending the bylaws, then the rules that are specifically prescribed for amending the constitution do not apply to the bylaws: so the rules for amending the bylaws fall back on Robert's Rules's prescription for amending bylaws, which Mr Huynh cheerily (look at that glowing transdescent smile!) provides.___________N. B. Mr Huynh, don't bother looking for "transdescent" in any dictionary. But you earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:09 AM Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:09 AM O Great Steaming Cobnuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryhaven Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:19 AM Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:19 AM it says nothing about amending by -laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryhaven Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:21 AM Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 at 02:21 AM thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest countryhaven Posted January 4, 2015 at 06:09 AM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 06:09 AM n order to make an amendment to the constitution a member must reduce it to writing and have the signatures of 5 members in good standing to bring amendment to the floor then each member shall be notified by mail of the amendment and the motion will be voted on at the next regular meeting an amendment to the constitution shall require a two-thirds majority of all members present this is in our by-laws not the constitution . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted January 4, 2015 at 11:13 AM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 11:13 AM n order to make an amendment to the constitution a member must reduce it to writing and have the signatures of 5 members in good standing to bring amendment to the floor then each member shall be notified by mail of the amendment and the motion will be voted on at the next regular meeting an amendment to the constitution shall require a two-thirds majority of all members present this is in our by-laws not the constitution . It appears to be the case that your "constitution and bylaws" is a single, combination-type instrument such as that described on page 12 of RONR. If this is the case, the procedure prescribed for its amendment is most likely applicable with respect to amendment of any portion of it, but determining whether or not this is the case will require reading the document in its entirety, and perhaps some knowledge of the facts surrounding its adoption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted January 5, 2015 at 12:35 AM Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 at 12:35 AM It appears to be the case that your "constitution and bylaws" is a single, combination-type instrument ... but determining whether or not this is the case will require reading the document in its entirety, and perhaps some knowledge of the facts surrounding its adoption. Whew! Given Post 3, I was kinda entirely at sea. I've listened to Beethoven's Choral Fantasy maybe 7 times today, and while that's been an analeptic for my disposition (being a slow and ponderous thinker, of dour and lugubrious mien), I'm still foundering in the vasty depths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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