bbcullum Posted January 4, 2015 at 07:25 PM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 07:25 PM After new officers are installed, the immediate past president becomes an advisor to the new president. My question is, "is the advisor elected (this position is the final step for the presidency which is elected) or appointed or is she assumed "-- neither appointed or elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted January 4, 2015 at 07:32 PM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 07:32 PM More information as to the exact wording of your bylaws on the role of the IPP (immediate past president) would be helpful. Based on the information you provided, I believe that the IPP becomes "ex officio" (by virtue of the office) an advisor to the president.He or she is neither elected nor appointed.... it is automatic, or ex officio, by virtue of being the immediate past president. There are a couple of very recent threads about the problems and pitfalls of having an IPP automatically serve as anything. Let us know if you want more information on that issue. I'm confident someone will find and post a link to one of the threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted January 4, 2015 at 07:41 PM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 07:41 PM Why not.... IPP is a Bad Idea:And here's some reasons why the position is a bad idea:In my personal view, setting up an "official" Immediate Past President (IPP) position is not a particularly good idea. The most telling argument is the real possibility of a close and bitter race for the presidency, with the current president running (for a second term) against an "outsider". And the outsider - the "reform candidate", perhaps - wins but is still stuck with the thorn of the IPP on the Board in a position to snipe at the new president. And perhaps attempt to undermine the new president's plans. Not to mention vote against them.If the erstwhile president is a "good guy" the new president can (usually, depending on the bylaws) appoint him to a preexisting committee - or even have him chair one, which might put him on the Board - as the new president sees fit. That way the IPP's experience and value can be put to good use, when needed, without the danger of setting up an adversarial situation which would require a bylaw amendment to get out of.Here's some more reasons1) The President resigns and wants nothing to do with the organization. 2) The President simply doesn't run for election again because he's had enough, and never shows up at a board meeting. 3) The President is booted out of office for being incompetent, or for something more nefarious. 4) The President dies. 5) The President resigns and moves (wants to help but isn't around).6) Even worse is the bylaw assignment of the IPP to chair a committee - such as nominating. Then he dies/quits/leaves town, &c. You are then stuck with an unfillable (by definition) vacancy.Note that except for item 4, the IPP may well be part of the quorum requirement for meetings, even though he never shows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted January 4, 2015 at 07:54 PM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 07:54 PM After new officers are installed, the immediate past president becomes an advisor to the new president. My question is, "is the advisor elected (this position is the final step for the presidency which is elected) or appointed or is she assumed "-- neither appointed or elected.In my opinion, someone who automatically serves in a position by virtue of being the immediate past president is neither appointed nor elected.Why does it matter, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bbcullum Posted January 4, 2015 at 08:11 PM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 08:11 PM This is the way it reads in our by-laws: Board of DirectorsSection 1 - The voting members of the BOD shall consist of the elected officers, the appointed chairmen and the immediate Past President. ....... Section 2 - The Immediate Past President shall become an honorary advisor and voting member of the BOD for the ensuing year. In the "duties of the President" section, no mention is made about becoming an honorary advisor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted January 4, 2015 at 08:15 PM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 08:15 PM This is the way it reads in our by-laws:Board of DirectorsSection 1 - The voting members of the BOD shall consist of the elected officers, the appointed chairmen and the immediate Past President. .......Section 2 - The Immediate Past President shall become an honorary advisor and voting member of the BOD for the ensuing year.It's up to your organization to interpret its own bylaws, but this looks pretty straightforward to me, and since the Immediate Past President is specifically noted as a voting member of the board (twice), and is also specifically noted as an "honorary advisor," it doesn't seem to matter whether he is elected or appointed (or neither).(I also concur with the previous responses, however, that automatically having the IPP as a member of the board is probably a bad idea.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted January 4, 2015 at 08:19 PM Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 at 08:19 PM It's up to your organization to interpret its own bylaws, but this looks pretty straightforward to me, and since the Immediate Past President is specifically noted as a voting member of the board (twice), it doesn't seem to matter whether he is elected or appointed (or neither).(I also concur with the previous responses, however, that having the IPP as a member of the board is probably a bad idea.) ... and let's hope the bylaws say something about what an "honorary advisor" is supposed to do (or not do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 5, 2015 at 04:01 PM Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 at 04:01 PM In the "duties of the President" section, no mention is made about becoming an honorary advisor. That's probably because the authors of your bylaws didn't consider that a duty of the president, but rather a duty of the past president. which is an automatic transition. It's not a fatal omission, but you're right that it would be nice to have that listed as a presidential duty in case someone reading the bylaws stopped reading after the list of presidential duties. This is why we often point out that bylaws can only be understood and interpreted in their entirety. Things you're looking for have a way of winding up in the strangest places--some much stranger than this. In any case, it apparently is a duty of the president to serve as an advisor and board member for a year. Presumably one could resign from the IPP position, but nobody else would be eligible to fill the resulting vacancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted January 5, 2015 at 07:31 PM Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 at 07:31 PM Presumably one could resign from the IPP position...Oh, let's not go there again unless we have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted January 5, 2015 at 07:39 PM Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 at 07:39 PM Oh, let's not go there again unless we have to. Oh my. At least the office of Gary Novosielski is still occupied, thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 6, 2015 at 04:30 PM Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 at 04:30 PM Oh my. At least the office of Gary Novosielski is still occupied, thankfully. From your lips to the General's ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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