scawthon Posted January 8, 2015 at 03:59 PM Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 at 03:59 PM Our pastor is conintually bringing up how non members are affected by the way we run. To me, this is rediculus becuase our constituion and bylaws only apply to members. Can I, as moderator, stop this kind of debate reasoning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted January 8, 2015 at 04:24 PM Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 at 04:24 PM Can I, as moderator, stop this kind of debate reasoning? If the remarks are not germane to the pending question, or are dilatory, you could rule them out of order. Your ruling could be appealed (by any member) and overruled (by a majority vote). As moderator, you might want to exercise your authority with, well, moderation. See pp.454-456 for "Suggestions for Inexperienced Presiding Officers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Ralph Posted January 8, 2015 at 09:47 PM Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 at 09:47 PM Additionally, if your pastor is speaking without a motion pending, that is out of order also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted January 8, 2015 at 09:58 PM Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 at 09:58 PM Additionally, if your pastor is speaking without a motion pending, that is out of order also. So, no one can speak without a motion pending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Ralph Posted January 8, 2015 at 10:28 PM Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 at 10:28 PM Not without permission of the assembly or unless they are introducing a motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted January 8, 2015 at 11:51 PM Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 at 11:51 PM Our pastor is conintually bringing up how non members are affected by the way we run. To me, this is rediculus becuase our constituion and bylaws only apply to members. Can I, as moderator, stop this kind of debate reasoning?Many organizations operate, at least in part, for the benefit of people who are not members of the society, even although it will generally be correct that the constitution and bylaws apply only (or at least primarily) to members of the society. So it seems to me that the pastor's comments may well be in order, and if they are, there is nothing you can do to stop them.As noted previously, however, the remarks are not in order if they are not germane to the pending question, if there is no pending question, or if the remarks are frivolous or dilatory. If the remarks are not in order, you can and should call the pastor to order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted January 9, 2015 at 12:04 AM Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 at 12:04 AM Many organizations operate, at least in part, for the benefit of people who are not members of the society, even although it will generally be correct that the constitution and bylaws apply only (or at least primarily) to members of the society. Ouch! I hope you'll be able to disentangle yourself from that knot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 9, 2015 at 02:17 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 at 02:17 PM Ouch! I hope you'll be able to disentangle yourself from that knot.Oh, I don't think it's such a knot. If the bylaws list among the objects of the society a mission of outreach and service to the community, then debate concerning the effect of a motion on non-members would almost certainly be in order, depending on the specifics of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted January 9, 2015 at 04:12 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 at 04:12 PM Our pastor is conintually bringing up how non members are affected by the way we run. To me, this is rediculus becuase our constituion and bylaws only apply to members. Can I, as moderator, stop this kind of debate reasoning? (emphasis added) Many organizations operate, at least in part, for the benefit of people who are not members of the society, even although it will generally be correct that the constitution and bylaws apply only (or at least primarily) to members of the society. So it seems to me that the pastor's comments may well be in order, and if they are, there is nothing you can do to stop them.As noted previously, however, the remarks are not in order if they are not germane to the pending question, if there is no pending question, or if the remarks are frivolous or dilatory. If the remarks are not in order, you can and should call the pastor to order. Ouch! I hope you'll be able to disentangle yourself from that knot. Oh, I don't think it's such a knot. If the bylaws list among the objects of the society a mission of outreach and service to the community, then debate concerning the effect of a motion on non-members would almost certainly be in order, depending on the specifics of course. I agree with the comments by Josh and Gary. Yesterday I started to post a question raising the issues Josh and Gary raised, but decided that maybe I was the only one thinking along those lines and I deleted my comment without posting it. My question to the original poster was going to be, "What do you mean when you say the pastor is complaining that " non members are affected by the way we run."?? Run what? Do you mean that non members are complaining about the way the meetings are being run, or about the way the organization itself is operating? Non members certainly have no say as to how the meetings are run, but if this is some sort of service or outreach service, then I believe the pastor should be heard as to whether their needs are being properly met by the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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