Guest derrick johnson Posted January 16, 2015 at 02:54 AM Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 at 02:54 AM can a president rule a properly made written motion out of order before formerly presenting it to the body..if that is done the body has no way of knowing the motion was ever presented to the chair for consideration and the body cant vote to over-rule the chair's decision/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hieu H. Huynh Posted January 16, 2015 at 03:05 AM Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 at 03:05 AM There may be reasons for a president to rule a motion out of order. For example, the motion could be in conflict with the bylaws. More details on this motion would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted January 16, 2015 at 03:11 AM Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 at 03:11 AM Oh dear.... the catch with what you wrote is that the president doesn't "present" the, or (almost) any, motion, written or otherwise, to the assembly. That is the job of the member to make the motion. After that, everybody (who was paying attention) knows what the motion is; it can be ruled out of order at that point by the chairman. The president may well get a copy of the motion ahead of time (particularly if it is long or controversial) but it still has to be made by a member before it can be acted upon. The president jumped the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted January 16, 2015 at 04:55 AM Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 at 04:55 AM I agree with Dr. Stackpole's comments. If the president is insisting on written motions (or even not insisting on them) and is ruling some out of order without the actual motion having been stated or read to the assembly, he is definitely out of order. As Dr. Stackpole pointed out, motions are made by members openly in a meeting. The chair has no right to prohibit a person from making his motion. If the motion is out of order, he can rule it out of order after it is made publicly, when everyone has heard it, and his ruling can be appealed. You can make a point of order that he has no right to rule motions out of order before they have been stated to the assembly. If he overrules the point of order, appeal his ruling to the assembly. He also has no right to insist that motions be tendered to him prior to being presented to the assembly.... unless your bylaws specify that motions shall be handled that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted January 16, 2015 at 06:00 AM Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 at 06:00 AM Also, if the motion is passed along in advance then the President could assist the member with wording, or when the motion can be made, etc. which is not only beneficial (i.e. making sure the meeting runs smoothly), but may help stop a motion from being out of order. But a decision on whether or not a motion is out of order or not can only be made at a meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted January 16, 2015 at 04:14 PM Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 at 04:14 PM can a president rule a properly made written motion out of order before formerly presenting it to the body..if that is done the body has no way of knowing the motion was ever presented to the chair for consideration and the body cant vote to over-rule the chair's decision/ I probably shouldn't ask, but why are you presenting motions to the President ahead of the meeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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