Guest RK Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:13 PM Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:13 PM If the president participates in a debate without relinquishing the chair and influences the vote, is the vote results valid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:14 PM Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:14 PM The fact that the presiding officer participated in debate is not, in itself, sufficient to invalidate the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:21 PM Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:21 PM Can the vote be appealed or reconsidered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:27 PM Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:27 PM If the motion was adopted, it may be possible to rescind or otherwise amend it. If the motion was defeated, it can simply be made again as if it had never been made before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted May 15, 2015 at 12:02 AM Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 12:02 AM If the president participates in a debate without relinquishing the chair and influences the vote, is the vote results valid? No. Someone should have raised a Point of Order at the time. Can the vote be appealed or reconsidered? There is no procedure to "appeal" from a vote, and the time limits for the motion to Reconsider have almost certainly passed, but there may be other options, as Edgar notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielEHayes Posted May 15, 2015 at 11:15 AM Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 11:15 AM No. Someone should have raised a Point of Order at the time. As Mr Martin points out much of parliamentary procedure is a matter of speak "now" or "forever hold your peace". There are of course exceptions that constitute a continuing breech and can be brought up at a later date such as violations of notice. What you are referencing regarding the chairman is not such a breach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 15, 2015 at 12:53 PM Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 12:53 PM Can the vote be appealed or reconsidered? Rulings of the chair can be appealed, not votes. And many motions can be reconsidered, under a somewhat complex set of rules, none of which have anything to to with whether the chair participated in debate. A point of order (at the time) could have stopped him from participating in debate, but since that wasn't done, the vote stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted May 15, 2015 at 01:10 PM Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 01:10 PM There are of course exceptions that constitute a continuing breech and can be brought up at a later date such as violations of notice. What you are referencing regarding the chairman is not such a breech. Breach, not breech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:31 PM Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:31 PM As Mr Martin points out much of parliamentary procedure is a matter of speak "now" or "forever hold your peace". There are of course exceptions that constitute a continuing breech and can be brought up at a later date such as violations of notice. What you are referencing regarding the chairman is not such a breech.Breach, not breech. And in this particular instance--neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockp2 Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:39 PM Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:39 PM Wouldn't the size of the Body be a determining factor? p. 488, ll. 18-20 Or do I misunderstand the passage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:43 PM Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:43 PM Wouldn't the size of the Body be a determining factor? p. 488, ll. 18-20 Or do I misunderstand the passage?The chair of a committee or small board is free to speak in debate without relinquishing the chair, if that's what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockp2 Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:55 PM Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:55 PM The chair of a committee or small board is free to speak in debate without relinquishing the chair, if that's what you mean. Yes Sir, that's what I meant...whew...thought I might have been doing it wrong all this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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