Guest JimLay Posted May 19, 2015 at 03:35 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 03:35 PM We are an ad-hoc committee charged with revising our church bylaws. There are provisions in the current bylaws to "amend" but not revise. We did this about 12 years ago and we just voted the new bylaws into place and rescinded the old ones. My question is whether we need to amend the current bylaws to permit revisions or simply follow the old process. Thanks. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted May 19, 2015 at 03:57 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 03:57 PM We are an ad-hoc committee charged with revising our church bylaws. There are provisions in the current bylaws to "amend" but not revise. We did this about 12 years ago and we just voted the new bylaws into place and rescinded the old ones. My question is whether we need to amend the current bylaws to permit revisions or simply follow the old process. Thanks. Jim A revision is a form of amendment, so you're fine. Do not rescind old bylaws and adopt new ones, it's highly problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted May 19, 2015 at 04:07 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 04:07 PM Do not rescind old bylaws and adopt new ones,. . . we just voted the new bylaws into place and rescinded the old ones. Once the revised bylaws are adopted, there's no need to rescind the "old" bylaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted May 19, 2015 at 05:51 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 05:51 PM Once the revised bylaws are adopted, there's no need to rescind the "old" bylaws. Yes, that would be interesting since there are no old ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted May 19, 2015 at 07:11 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 07:11 PM Yes, that would be interesting since there are no old ones. Yes, I just wanted to make sure our guest didn't think your warning about rescinding before adopting suggested that rescinding after adopting (which they had done before) was the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 19, 2015 at 07:11 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 07:11 PM There are provisions in the current bylaws to "amend" but not revise. That's fine. Revision is just a special case of amendment that amends everything at once, by substituting a complete new set of bylaws for the ones that exist now. The same rules (regarding previous notice, voting threshold, etc.) that apply to isolated changes, apply equally to a general revision, except that the scope of notice considerations do not apply, since the notice will have stated that a general revision would be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt Posted May 19, 2015 at 09:14 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 09:14 PM Our association is in a situation in which our bylaws need to be amended, in order to be in compliance with a higher authority. Our bylaws require 2/3 vote of the assembly for amendment. The bylaws ALSO require 10 days advance notice by publication of the proposed amendments, before taking a vote. However, our cycle of regular meetings has ended, and an emergency assembly meeting will be needed. It was suggested that a motion could be taken from the floor, to adopt the amendments, and voted on at that meeting, and that this "right" of the assembly supersedes the waiting period outlined in the bylaws. Is this true? If not, is there a way to handle this business in a single meeting, or are we stuck with the (monumental) task of assembling a quorum of members on two separate dates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted May 19, 2015 at 09:35 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 09:35 PM Matt, please post your question at a new topic. Read the fist thread in this forum for instructions as to how to start a new topic. The thread title is: "Important: Read this first". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Morelock Posted May 19, 2015 at 09:51 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 09:51 PM so when you amend bylaws should there be a statement at the end of them that says something like "amended such&such date" verses revised? anytime we have changed our bylaws we always put at the bottom "revised " and then the date. is this wrong? they have only been revised once since i have been involved but we have amended them several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted May 19, 2015 at 10:35 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 10:35 PM so when you amend bylaws should there be a statement at the end of them that says something like "amended such&such date" verses revised? Matt, please post your question at a new topic. This applies to Mr. Morelock as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt Posted May 19, 2015 at 11:48 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 at 11:48 PM Sorry, I thought my question was relevant to this topic, as it is about revising bylaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted May 20, 2015 at 04:07 PM Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 at 04:07 PM Sorry, I thought my question was relevant to this topic, as it is about revising bylaws. See Mr. Gerber's second bullet point here - http://robertsrules.forumflash.com/index.php?/topic/25416-important-read-this-first-information-for-new-members-and-guests/ Since it's his wrath we must deal with instead of the kind gentle demeanor of Mr. Honemann, I commend everyone to read what he posted and follow Mr. Gerber's advice. Not following it can cause a poster to be found in some back alley off of Flatbush Avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted May 20, 2015 at 06:18 PM Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 at 06:18 PM Since it's his wrath we must deal with instead of the kind gentle demeanor of Mr. Honemann, I commend everyone to read what he posted and follow Mr. Gerber's advice. Not following it can cause a poster to be found in some back alley off of Flatbush Avenue. Yeah, you guys just think you had it tough in the olden days. The rlk is really mean, and you don't even want to think about what will happen if young Dan decides to throw his weight around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimLay Posted May 20, 2015 at 10:21 PM Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 at 10:21 PM Thanks to all who answered my original question. I see the path clearly. As a note of clarity, our old bylaws simply stated all previous ones were replaced. It was a slip of the typing finger to say we rescinded them. Thanks again, Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted May 21, 2015 at 11:33 AM Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 at 11:33 AM See Mr. Gerber's second bullet point here - http://robertsrules.forumflash.com/index.php?/topic/25416-important-read-this-first-information-for-new-members-and-guests/ Since it's his wrath we must deal with instead of the kind gentle demeanor of Mr. Honemann, I commend everyone to read what he posted and follow Mr. Gerber's advice. Not following it can cause a poster to be found in some back alley off of Flatbush Avenue. Yeah, you guys just think you had it tough in the olden days. The rlk is really mean, and you don't even want to think about what will happen if young Dan decides to throw his weight around. C'mon fellas, be nice. Otherwise I may decide to lock this topic and then add to it, a tactic which truly seems to inspire awe around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 21, 2015 at 11:55 AM Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 at 11:55 AM Awwwwwwe.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted May 21, 2015 at 01:53 PM Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 at 01:53 PM Okay, we'll try to behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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