Guest LEE Posted February 16, 2017 at 10:42 PM Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 at 10:42 PM Can you announce the vote tallies after a secrecy ballot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Coronite Posted February 16, 2017 at 10:45 PM Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 at 10:45 PM Yes. In fact pp 417-4188 of RONR shows what the teller's report should look like in announcing the results of a ballot vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted February 17, 2017 at 12:38 AM Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 at 12:38 AM The "secret" part of a secret ballot is to protect the voters, not to spare the feelings of the candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted February 18, 2017 at 04:18 PM Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 at 04:18 PM On 2/16/2017 at 4:42 PM, Guest LEE said: Can you announce the vote tallies after a secrecy ballot? As the others have said, or at least hinted at, not only "can" you announce the vote totals, you "should" announce the vote totals. In fact, you "must"announce the vote totals according to RONR. That's the rule, in case you don't have the book and can't refer to the section cited by 1st Church. Here's what RONR says at the bottom of page 318 re the tellers' report: "The tellers' report is entered in full in the minutes, becoming a part of the official records of the organization. Under no circumstances should this be omitted in an election or in a vote on a critical motion out of a mistaken deference to the feelings of unsuccessful candidates or members of the losing side." (Emphasis added). At the meeting, one of the tellers and the presiding officer both read the complete teller's report, then the presiding officer declares the result. (Yes, the teller's report is read twice). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted February 18, 2017 at 05:21 PM Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 at 05:21 PM Not just "can", but "should" for all sorts of good reasons. Like these... Indeed it is the proper thing to do, to read out the numerical vote results for the members to hear -- see p. 417, line 18 ff. - and to include them in the minutes Consider some possibilities: 1) The winner got nearly all the votes and the loser has had a long history of fruitlessly running for office. Reading the vote count might send him a message, that it is time to quit making a fool of himself. 2) The vote is "reasonably" close. This way the loser will be encouraged to try again, as it seems, by the vote, that he has a good deal of potential, and many friends, but just went up against a better person this time. This may help to keep a good candidate in the game. 3) The vote is "extremely" close - one or two votes different. The assembly may very well want to order a recount (RONR p. 419, line 1, see index also) just to be sure of the result. This way there are no (or fewer) hard feelings. 4) The president, when declaring who won, makes a simple mistake and names the wrong person, or he does not understand the vote required to adopt the motion (majority, 2/3, &c.) and states the "wrong" outcome. 5) The tellers make an error. Reading the results out loud may not help to catch this but studying the printed documentation in the minutes at leisure probably would. The documentation would also serve as evidence if there were serious questions about the outcome. Without the teller having read the numbers, how will anybody (except the teller, if he is paying attention) know to correct this? 6) The winner of the election (or partisans of the winning side of a critical issue) could weigh the numerical results in terms of whether they have a "mandate" to proceed at full bore, or whether there might be some fence mending to look after first. If the vote results were not made immediately available to the membership, none of the above good things could happen. And this listing doesn't even mention the myriad possibilities for knavery or outright fraud that are available when vote counts are kept secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted February 18, 2017 at 05:55 PM Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 at 05:55 PM Thanks, John! Mind if I copy it and paste it into a word document to use in the future? I'll be happy to give you credit for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted February 18, 2017 at 06:09 PM Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 at 06:09 PM Don't mind at all, help yourself. Consider it covered by the "copyleft" rules -- here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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