Dutchman Posted June 29, 2017 at 07:12 PM Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 at 07:12 PM My organization is wrestling with the same question at our annual meeting. The key passage in our bylaws is this..."The administration of the affairs of the Association shall be vested in the Board of Directors." Some have said the use of the word "administration" means the board members have exclusive rights other than bylaw passage and election of board members. Do other believe this sounds correct? (I understand my organization is the real decider) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintCad Posted June 30, 2017 at 06:36 AM Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 at 06:36 AM The motion was adopted and is in effect. I was rereading Section 4 p 47 l 30-35 clearly states that a majority vote adopts a motion*, thus when the chair stated that the vote was 18-2 in favor the motion then it passed notwithstanding p 49-51 which as I read it are recommendations - not requirements - for disposing of the motion. *with certain restrictions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted June 30, 2017 at 12:46 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 at 12:46 PM I am of the view that the chair's announcement that the motion is adopted or lost is an essential part of the chair's announcing the result. If the assembly feels otherwise, then the assembly might also decide to discipline the board for not carrying out the motion adopted by the membership. It should again determine not only whether the board's decision was correct, but whether the board acted in good faith. 17 hours ago, Dutchman said: My organization is wrestling with the same question at our annual meeting. The key passage in our bylaws is this..."The administration of the affairs of the Association shall be vested in the Board of Directors." Some have said the use of the word "administration" means the board members have exclusive rights other than bylaw passage and election of board members. Do other believe this sounds correct? (I understand my organization is the real decider) It is up to you organization to interpret it own bylaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted June 30, 2017 at 12:58 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 at 12:58 PM 2 minutes ago, Josh Martin said: I am of the view that the chair's announcement that the motion is adopted or lost is an essential part of the chair's announcing the result. If the assembly feels otherwise, then the assembly might also decide to discipline the board for not carrying out the motion adopted by the membership. It should again determine not only whether the board's decision was correct, but whether the board acted in good faith. I agree that the chair's announcement that the motion is adopted or lost is an essential part of the chair's announcing the result of a vote. It is only after the chair has declared that the motion is adopted or lost that members can take any of the steps listed on pages 408-409. " ... whenever it is stated in this book that a certain procedural motion relating to a vote that has been taken is in order immediately after the result of a vote has been announced (see, for example, p. 408), that interval begins as soon as the chair has pronounced the first two points." (RONR, p. 48, ll. 30-34) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintCad Posted June 30, 2017 at 04:12 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 at 04:12 PM Still disagree p 49 l 13-14 "which is usually needed only for a vote that has caused a motion to be adopted" Thus the vote adopts the motion - not the announcement. I do not interpret "needed" as "needing to take place in order to adopt the motion". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 30, 2017 at 04:16 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 at 04:16 PM 3 minutes ago, SaintCad said: "which is usually needed only for a vote that has caused a motion to be adopted" This seems to assume that "caused" means something less than I take it to mean. I think the meaning here is included, but doesn't cover the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintCad Posted June 30, 2017 at 06:17 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 at 06:17 PM I don't get what you mean Joshua. If X causes Y to happen, you don't also need Z X = majority vote Y = motion adopted Z = Chair saying the motion is adopted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 30, 2017 at 07:06 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 at 07:06 PM Except we use "caused" all the time, in contexts where you do need a Z. "Better management caused the stock to rise." Okay, but you also needed a working stock market, functional roads, supermarkets, fuel supplies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted June 30, 2017 at 11:52 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 at 11:52 PM 10 hours ago, Daniel H. Honemann said: I agree that the chair's announcement that the motion is adopted or lost is an essential part of the chair's announcing the result of a vote. It is only after the chair has declared that the motion is adopted or lost that members can take any of the steps listed on pages 408-409. " ... whenever it is stated in this book that a certain procedural motion relating to a vote that has been taken is in order immediately after the result of a vote has been announced (see, for example, p. 408), that interval begins as soon as the chair has pronounced the first two points." (RONR, p. 48, ll. 30-34) Q. What happens when _____ (a.) the chair FAILS to announce the result of a COUNTED vote, and (b.) the chair continues with the next item on the agenda? Q. Do 100% of the possible motion on page 408 become impossible? become out of order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 1, 2017 at 10:25 AM Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 at 10:25 AM What happens when the chair fails to announce the result of a counted vote and continues with the next item on the agenda? I don't know. If it happens while I'm there, I'll let you know what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted July 1, 2017 at 07:02 PM Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 at 07:02 PM 19 hours ago, Kim Goldsworthy said: Q. What happens when _____ (a.) the chair FAILS to announce the result of a COUNTED vote, and (b.) the chair continues with the next item on the agenda? Q. Do 100% of the possible motion on page 408 become impossible? become out of order? What ought to happen is that someone raises a point of order that the chair failed to announce the result of the previous vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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