parkourninja Posted June 21, 2017 at 02:40 PM Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 02:40 PM If a member moved to reconsider and enter in the minutes in a dilatory manner, can a member preface moving to fix the time to which to adjourn with the justification that they are doing so to rectify what they feel is a dilatory use of the motion to reconsider and enter in the minutes since the present meeting attendance Is not unrepresentative of the overall assembly? In other words, can the individual offer a statement explaining their motion before they actual move it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:00 PM Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:00 PM If your parliamentary authority is RONR, then you may gain the floor for one purpose and then do something else, such as speaking in debate and then making a motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkourninja Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:04 PM Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:04 PM 4 minutes ago, Joshua Katz said: If your parliamentary authority is RONR, then you may gain the floor for one purpose and then do something else, such as speaking in debate and then making a motion. But the motion to reconsider and enter in the minutes is not debatable and assume no other business was pending, therefore debate in general would not be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:12 PM Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:12 PM Well, fix the time to which to adjourn is privileged if another motion is pending, and adjourn is debatable if the assembly is set to adjourn at a fixed time, so you could move to adjourn at a specific time, then move to adjourn prior to that, then speak in debate on that motion and move to set the time to which to adjourn. Or you could just raise a point of order that the motion to reconsider and enter is being abused in a dilatory fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted June 21, 2017 at 04:26 PM Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 04:26 PM (edited) 4 hours ago, parkourninja said: If a member moved to reconsider and enter in the minutes in a dilatory manner, can a member preface moving to fix the time to which to adjourn with the justification that they are doing so to rectify what they feel is a dilatory use of the motion to reconsider and enter in the minutes since the present meeting attendance Is not unrepresentative of the overall assembly? In other words, can the individual offer a statement explaining their motion before they actual move it? You're referring to this passage, it seems - "If an actual minority in a representative meeting makes improper use of this motion by moving to reconsider and enter on the minutes a vote which requires action before the next regular meeting, the remedy is to fix the time for an adjourned meeting (9, 22) on another suitable day when the reconsideration can be called up and disposed of. In such a case, the mere making of a motion to set an adjourned meeting would likely cause withdrawal of the motion to Reconsider and Enter on the Minutes, since its object would be defeated. " RONR (11th ed.), p. 335 Given your posting I'd suggest saying all of that prior to making the motion is improper. Since it's likely the motion will be made when no other business is pending you should just save it for debate, assuming that the motion to reconsider and enter on the minutes is not withdrawn.. Edited June 21, 2017 at 07:32 PM by George Mervosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkourninja Posted June 21, 2017 at 08:12 PM Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 08:12 PM 3 hours ago, George Mervosh said: You're referring to this passage, it seems - "If an actual minority in a representative meeting makes improper use of this motion by moving to reconsider and enter on the minutes a vote which requires action before the next regular meeting, the remedy is to fix the time for an adjourned meeting (9, 22) on another suitable day when the reconsideration can be called up and disposed of. In such a case, the mere making of a motion to set an adjourned meeting would likely cause withdrawal of the motion to Reconsider and Enter on the Minutes, since its object would be defeated. " RONR (11th ed.), p. 335 Given your posting I'd suggest saying all of that prior to making the motion is improper. Since it's likely the motion will be made when no other business is pending you should just save it for debate, assuming that the motion to reconsider and enter on the minutes is not withdrawn.. Good point. However, as a general rule, would the member be able to make such a statement as I have described where the motion to fix the time to which to adjourn privileged and there was other business pending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted June 21, 2017 at 08:16 PM Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 08:16 PM (edited) 6 minutes ago, parkourninja said: Good point. However, as a general rule, would the member be able to make such a statement as I have described where the motion to fix the time to which to adjourn privileged and there was other business pending. In my opinion, no. I think what you want to do does go beyond prefacing a motion with a few words. You're advocating for it's adoption and providing the reasoning. I think that stretches the rule too far. Edited June 21, 2017 at 08:18 PM by George Mervosh Edited last sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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