John-Jack Posted October 10, 2017 at 02:30 PM Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 at 02:30 PM At a recent meeting of our Lions Club, we did not have a quorum. We did, however, vote on a few items. One of our members expressed his opinion (as fact) that if at our next meeting with a quorum present the minutes were accepted, then what was voted upon is actually passed without any further discussion/vote. Is that true, or would each item have to be brought up again and voted upon? I was the moderator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 10, 2017 at 02:37 PM Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 at 02:37 PM Your member was factually impaired. You could do a wholesale ratification (vote "Yes" but on all at once) rather than going through each one individually. Any member could demand a separate vote on any issue, however. Approving the minutes does NOT mean you have approved the actions described in the minutes, only that the minutes are a correct record of what happened at the previous meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted October 10, 2017 at 02:39 PM Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 at 02:39 PM Agreeing with Dr. Stackpole with regards to the need to ratify the actions taken, as the moderator you really must not let this happen again unless it's a true emergency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted October 10, 2017 at 03:07 PM Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 at 03:07 PM Agreeing with both of my esteemed and well-respected colleagues, I would add that you also should not let this sort of thing happen unless you are quite confident that the action being taken is supported by the vast majority of members and will almost certainly be ratified at the next meeting. If for some reason the action is not ratified, those officers who took the unauthorized action could be subject to disciplinary action and could be held personally responsible if money of the organization was expended. In other words, you act at your peril when you allow action to be taken without proper authorization. If you find yourself without a quorum yet something important needs to be voted on, the assembly can always set an adjourned meeting for perhaps the next day or the next week in order to vote on the matter. Setting an adjourned meeting is one of the few things an assembly can legitimately do in the absence of a quorum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 10, 2017 at 03:43 PM Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 at 03:43 PM 1 hour ago, John-Jack said: At a recent meeting of our Lions Club, we did not have a quorum. We did, however, vote on a few items. One of our members expressed his opinion (as fact) that if at our next meeting with a quorum present the minutes were accepted, then what was voted upon is actually passed without any further discussion/vote. Is that true, or would each item have to be brought up again and voted upon? I was the moderator. At this recent meeting, was any question raised as to the absence of a quorum? If so, how? And when? Before or after these votes were taken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-Jack Posted October 10, 2017 at 05:42 PM Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 at 05:42 PM Thank you all for your input. I will not let this happen again. I am rather new with Robert's Rules and not always sure of all the ground rules. I am quite sure that the votes in question will be ratified at the next meeting without any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 15, 2017 at 12:10 AM Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 at 12:10 AM On 10/10/2017 at 10:30 AM, John-Jack said: At a recent meeting of our Lions Club, we did not have a quorum. We did, however, vote on a few items. One of our members expressed his opinion (as fact) that if at our next meeting with a quorum present the minutes were accepted, then what was voted upon is actually passed without any further discussion/vote. Is that true, or would each item have to be brought up again and voted upon? I was the moderator. The approval of the minutes only verifies that the motions were voted on in the absence of a quorum. That is not tantamount to approval. If the assembly desires to ratify the actions taken at that meeting, it will have to do so explicitly with a motion to Ratify. But even if it approved of the actions themselves, it would still be in order to consider a motion to discipline the moderator for allowing business to take place in the absence of a quorum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted October 18, 2017 at 05:23 PM Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 at 05:23 PM (edited) On 10/10/2017 at 1:42 PM, John-Jack said: Thank you all for your input. I will not let this happen again. I am rather new with Robert's Rules and not always sure of all the ground rules. I am quite sure that the votes in question will be ratified at the next meeting without any problems. John-Jack, please consider that I suggest, strongly, that you pick up, at once (really. No food until then. -- unless say you're a diabetic -- but no kidding, get it at once) your copy or RONR - In Brief. And then read it at once. If you get your copy at an independent bookstore, which I recommend, since capitalism has its drawbacks but the current available alternative is Bezos-esque neo-quasi-syndicalism; or, if you must, at any chain store; read it then and there, stepping aside at the cash register (is that what they're called anymore?) so that the other customers in line to buy their own copies of RONR-In Brief are not delayed; -- or, should you desire to make sure that Jeff Bezos stays the richest person on Earth since Gates that clot didn't have enough, go ahead and buy it on Amazon; but then, similarly, you stand there at your doorstep and read it then and there. You can let the delivery person go -- he or she doesn't have to stand there for the hour or so it'll take you to read it (unless you're a college graduate, in which case -sigh- you'll be standing there on the stoop until your feet ossify) -- although come to think if it, you might have had the foresight, and the courtesy, to buy more than one copy, so the two of you can stand there companionably reading until you two are done and you can offer him a collegial good-bye (unless he's a college graduate, in which case he'll still be there maybe on page 12 when you leave for the day, stepping delicately around him). [Nuts, last posts are last Saturday and Novosielski's catch-ups. Musta wasted my effort. Who's gonna read all that arduously-crafted tinkle now. Coulda watched Walking Dead reruns at a bar with the 2FP] Edited October 18, 2017 at 05:28 PM by Gary c Tesser had to babble some more. And left somethign out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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