Guest Huang Po Posted October 30, 2017 at 11:17 PM Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 at 11:17 PM The Board of an organization has hired a professional parliamentarian . Several members ( the "K" group ) of the organization consider they need independent advice from their own "K" group parliamentarian .Are members permitted to do as much (?) and since the Board has hired a parliamentarian and has that parliamentarian scheduled for attendance at a planned meeting- are the members likewise entitled to have their parliamentarian present ? The bylaws say the meeting is for members only- but the Board has invited their parliamentarian to attend - so why not the "K" group members - as well ? Whats "sauce for the goose" ? Who gets to say in the end ? And is it ethical for a parliamentarian to take on work for "k" group - when she knows that the Board has hired a parliamentarian ? Thanks Huang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted October 30, 2017 at 11:49 PM Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 at 11:49 PM Is this a meeting of the board or of the general membership? Whoever's meeting it is gets to decide, by majority vote if necessary, which nonmembers may attend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Huang Po Posted October 30, 2017 at 11:57 PM Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 at 11:57 PM Obliged for the above - its a Meeting of the members - but can you respond to all questions posed .Is it allowed for members to have their own iof Board has an expert . Is it ethical of a parliamentarian to allow hire if she knows the Board has hired a parliamentarian etc. . Thanks Huang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted October 30, 2017 at 11:59 PM Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 at 11:59 PM (edited) 44 minutes ago, Guest Huang Po said: The Board of an organization has hired a professional parliamentarian . Several members ( the "K" group ) of the organization consider they need independent advice from their own "K" group parliamentarian .Are members permitted to do as much (?) Yes. A professional parliamentarian is a consultant on parliamentary procedure. A group of members is free to hire its own consultant at its own expense. Such an assignment is commonly referred to as a “floor parliamentarian.” 44 minutes ago, Guest Huang Po said: and since the Board has hired a parliamentarian and has that parliamentarian scheduled for attendance at a planned meeting- are the members likewise entitled to have their parliamentarian present ? The bylaws say the meeting is for members only- but the Board has invited their parliamentarian to attend - so why not the "K" group members - as well ? Whats "sauce for the goose" ? Who gets to say in the end ? No, they are not entitled to have their parliamentarian present, and neither is the board. It sounds like this is a meeting of the membership, so the membership ultimately decides, by majority vote, what non-members (if any) may be present. 44 minutes ago, Guest Huang Po said: And is it ethical for a parliamentarian to take on work for "k" group - when she knows that the Board has hired a parliamentarian ? Yes. Edited October 31, 2017 at 12:02 AM by Josh Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Huang Po Posted October 31, 2017 at 12:27 AM Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 at 12:27 AM Thanks - this very helpful Josh . Do you have any additional info on the limits that a "floor parliamentarian" may consider - within scope of "floor parliamentarian duty" ?. is there any writing /articles on this ? I do not see anything in RONR - are there other sources - do you know ? Much Obliged HP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted October 31, 2017 at 12:42 AM Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 at 12:42 AM (edited) 20 minutes ago, Guest Huang Po said: Thanks - this very helpful Josh . Do you have any additional info on the limits that a "floor parliamentarian" may consider - within scope of "floor parliamentarian duty" ?. is there any writing /articles on this ? I do not see anything in RONR - are there other sources - do you know ? Much Obliged HP Yes, "The Art of the Coup d'Etat, Parliamentary Journal, October 2002 and "Combat Parliamentarians," Parliamentary Journal, January 1976. Parliamentary Journal is published by the American Institute of Parliamentarians. You might contact the editor. Edited October 31, 2017 at 12:49 AM by J. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest huang Po Posted October 31, 2017 at 12:50 AM Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 at 12:50 AM Thanks JJ - what a great resource the Forum provides and with such helpful experts ! Kudos ! OBLIGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted October 31, 2017 at 01:18 AM Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 at 01:18 AM So did you catch that you don't have to let the board's parliamentarian attend the meeting at all? It doesn't matter what the board has "scheduled." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Huang Po Posted October 31, 2017 at 01:39 AM Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 at 01:39 AM Yes thanks very much ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Huang Po Posted October 31, 2017 at 01:41 AM Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 at 01:41 AM Yes - thanks a lot ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted October 31, 2017 at 12:27 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 at 12:27 PM It might be unethical for them to have a duel, but it would be great fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g40 Posted October 31, 2017 at 09:47 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 at 09:47 PM 9 hours ago, George Mervosh said: It might be unethical for them to have a duel, but it would be great fun to watch. Unless the details (such as pistols from 20 paces) were defined in the Bylaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Posted November 1, 2017 at 06:39 AM Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 at 06:39 AM On 10/30/2017 at 8:42 PM, J. J. said: Yes, "The Art of the Coup d'Etat, Parliamentary Journal, October 2002 and "Combat Parliamentarians," Parliamentary Journal, January 1976. Parliamentary Journal is published by the American Institute of Parliamentarians. You might contact the editor. Just to note that "The Art of the Coup d'Etat" is actually in October 2005 issue of Parliamentary Journal, v. XLVI, No. 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted November 1, 2017 at 12:11 PM Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 at 12:11 PM 5 hours ago, Guest Peter said: Just to note that "The Art of the Coup d'Etat" is actually in October 2005 issue of Parliamentary Journal, v. XLVI, No. 4. Sorry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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