Guest Tom GermainI Posted November 5, 2017 at 06:48 PM Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 at 06:48 PM If a violation of the bylaws occurs and no one objects is there no violations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hieu H. Huynh Posted November 5, 2017 at 06:56 PM Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 at 06:56 PM What is the violation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLP Posted November 5, 2017 at 07:56 PM Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 at 07:56 PM The question posed seems somewhat mis-stasted . If a "violation of the bylaws occurs" - then a violation of the bylaws occurs . If no one takes exception to that violation or complains that does not mean a violation has not occurred , or that it is cured by absence of complaint . It may mean that no one knows it is occurring ( common place ) or that some don't care it's occurring ( not uncommon ) . Arguably the true issue is whether or not the violation is substantive or otherwise . Does it have the effect of nullifying an action taken at the meeting . Depends on what that violation was . If the bylaws provide that the organization not buy land in Zanadu and a motion has been made to purchase land in Zanadu - then the carried motion is null and void . If the violation is merely procedural then it is not null and void and only of passing note although members should be informed as to the occurrence and remedial approach LLP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted November 5, 2017 at 08:22 PM Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 at 08:22 PM 1 hour ago, Guest Tom GermainI said: If a violation of the bylaws occurs and no one objects is there no violations? As written, this seems more like a philosophical question than a parliamentary one. I think the real question is “If a violation of the bylaws occurs and there was no objection at the time, what can/should be done about it now?” The answer to that question requires more details about what exactly happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintCad Posted November 5, 2017 at 08:26 PM Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 at 08:26 PM I noticed that violations that result in a continuing breach, need to be ratified, etc. are violations of action, that is the Board or Chair took action in violation of the bylaws. Short of disciplinary action or a timely Point of Order, is there anything members can do for violations of inaction i.e. not doing something required in the bylaws? For example suppose under the bylaws the President is supposed to assemble all of the standing committee chairs to approve the budget in January but the President doesn't and it's now June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted November 5, 2017 at 08:40 PM Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 at 08:40 PM 9 minutes ago, SaintCad said: I noticed that violations that result in a continuing breach, need to be ratified, etc. are violations of action, that is the Board or Chair took action in violation of the bylaws. Short of disciplinary action or a timely Point of Order, is there anything members can do for violations of inaction i.e. not doing something required in the bylaws? For example suppose under the bylaws the President is supposed to assemble all of the standing committee chairs to approve the budget in January but the President doesn't and it's now June. I think it would be best to post this question as a new topic, so as not to distract from the OP’s question if/when he follows up with more details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLP Posted November 5, 2017 at 08:43 PM Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 at 08:43 PM Applying quantum physics - perhaps a violation of the bylaws occurs only when a member detects that a violation has occurred . When a violation is not observed ,or detected, it has not occurred . Can quantum physics perhaps resolve parliamentary issues ? And should a Part on Quantum P , be considered for the 12th edition RONR ? LLP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintCad Posted November 6, 2017 at 12:10 AM Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 at 12:10 AM 3 hours ago, Josh Martin said: I think it would be best to post this question as a new topic, so as not to distract from the OP’s question if/when he follows up with more details. I'm not sure it is a new topic as it applies to the OP's generalized question "What if there's a violation ..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted November 6, 2017 at 05:31 PM Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 at 05:31 PM 22 hours ago, Guest Tom GermainI said: If a violation of the bylaws occurs and no one objects is there no violations? I say that the tree still makes a sound even if no one hears it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted November 6, 2017 at 06:47 PM Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 at 06:47 PM I have yet to hear a tree say anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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