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2 hours ago, Guest Sheri said:

A heated discussion is taking place at a Senate meeting.  The issue is that the scheduled meeting time has come and gone.  How is this addressed in a respectful manner so that the meeting can come to an end?

Does the Senate have a rule that meetings end at the expiration of the "scheduled meeting time"? Or, in other words, who decided that the meeting will end at a particular time? If the decision wasn't made by a valid action of the Senate itself (such as the adoption of an agenda for the meeting that includes a scheduled time for adjournment) or in some manner authorized by a specific rule of the Senate, then the meeting isn't adjourned until the Senate decides to adjourn. A motion to adjourn can be made even while some other question is pending.

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17 minutes ago, Guest Who's Coming to Dinner said:

Can the chair interrupt a speaker at the chair's initiative when the scheduled time for adjournment arrives? Or must the chair wait until the speaker's debate limit is reached or a member calls for the orders of the day?

Based on the language on page 374 and of #11 on page 450, it seems the chair does not have to wait for the member to finish speaking, which might take ten minutes, but interrupts the speaker to announce that the time for adjournment has arrived and to declare the meeting adjourned unless an appropriate motion to reschedule the time for adjournment is made per page 374.

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18 minutes ago, Richard Brown said:

Joshua, a call for the orders of the day would be effective for adjourning only if a time for adjournment had been previously set (and reached).  I don't believe we know yet if that is really the case, but that does seem to be the basis of your answer.

Don't we know that the scheduled time for adjournment has "come and gone"?

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1 minute ago, Gary Novosielski said:

Don't we know that the scheduled time for adjournment has "come and gone"?

We don't know exactly what the original poster meant by that comment. Scheduled by whom and how?  The bylaws? A rule? A motion ? Someone's statement in a notice of when that person thought the meeting would probably end? Is it a firm rule (or setting) or a custom that the meetings generally end around that time? Shmuel explained it pretty well in his post. 

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1 hour ago, Richard Brown said:

Joshua, a call for the orders of the day would be effective for adjourning only if a time for adjournment had been previously set (and reached).  I don't believe we know yet if that is really the case, but that does seem to be the basis of your answer.

That was my assumption based on the original post.  

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3 hours ago, Richard Brown said:

Based on the language on page 374 and of #11 on page 450, it seems the chair does not have to wait for the member to finish speaking, which might take ten minutes, but interrupts the speaker to announce that the time for adjournment has arrived and to declare the meeting adjourned unless an appropriate motion to reschedule the time for adjournment is made per page 374.

And yet this is not one of the permitted interruptions listed on Page 384.

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4 hours ago, Richard Brown said:

Based on the language on page 374 and of #11 on page 450, it seems the chair does not have to wait for the member to finish speaking, which might take ten minutes, but interrupts the speaker to announce that the time for adjournment has arrived and to declare the meeting adjourned unless an appropriate motion to reschedule the time for adjournment is made per page 374.

 

54 minutes ago, Guest Who's Coming to Dinner said:

And yet this is not one of the permitted interruptions listed on Page 384.

Well, let's just say that item (a) on the list is close enough for government work. :)

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On 11/9/2017 at 5:01 PM, Guest Sheri said:

A heated discussion is taking place at a Senate meeting.  The issue is that the scheduled meeting time has come and gone.  How is this addressed in a respectful manner so that the meeting can come to an end?

The meeting times are published on the Senate website, however they are not specifically noted in the bylaws.  The tradition has always been that the meeting adjourns at the given time.

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17 minutes ago, Guest Sheri said:

The meeting times are published on the Senate website, however they are not specifically noted in the bylaws.  The tradition has always been that the meeting adjourns at the given time.

I’m not sure that a tradition or a posting on the website is sufficient. If the assembly has adopted a rule that all of its regular meetings shall adjourn at a particular time, or if it adopted an agenda or motion providing that this particular meeting would adjourn at a particular time, then the chair may announce the adjournment when that time is reached. If the assembly wished to continue the meeting beyond the scheduled time, this would require a suspension of the rules, or amending the motion or agenda which scheduled the time for adjournment.

If no time for adjournment has actually been scheduled by the assembly, then a member could move to adjourn.

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