Guest Sheri Posted November 9, 2017 at 10:01 PM Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 at 10:01 PM A heated discussion is taking place at a Senate meeting. The issue is that the scheduled meeting time has come and gone. How is this addressed in a respectful manner so that the meeting can come to an end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted November 9, 2017 at 11:06 PM Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 at 11:06 PM Seek recognition, and then say "Mr. Chairman, I call for the orders of the day." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted November 10, 2017 at 12:48 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 12:48 AM 2 hours ago, Guest Sheri said: A heated discussion is taking place at a Senate meeting. The issue is that the scheduled meeting time has come and gone. How is this addressed in a respectful manner so that the meeting can come to an end? Does the Senate have a rule that meetings end at the expiration of the "scheduled meeting time"? Or, in other words, who decided that the meeting will end at a particular time? If the decision wasn't made by a valid action of the Senate itself (such as the adoption of an agenda for the meeting that includes a scheduled time for adjournment) or in some manner authorized by a specific rule of the Senate, then the meeting isn't adjourned until the Senate decides to adjourn. A motion to adjourn can be made even while some other question is pending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted November 10, 2017 at 12:50 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 12:50 AM Can the chair interrupt a speaker at the chair's initiative when the scheduled time for adjournment arrives? Or must the chair wait until the speaker's debate limit is reached or a member calls for the orders of the day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted November 10, 2017 at 12:56 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 12:56 AM Joshua, a call for the orders of the day would be effective for adjourning only if a time for adjournment had been previously set (and reached). I don't believe we know yet if that is really the case, but that does seem to be the basis of your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted November 10, 2017 at 01:06 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 01:06 AM (edited) 17 minutes ago, Guest Who's Coming to Dinner said: Can the chair interrupt a speaker at the chair's initiative when the scheduled time for adjournment arrives? Or must the chair wait until the speaker's debate limit is reached or a member calls for the orders of the day? Based on the language on page 374 and of #11 on page 450, it seems the chair does not have to wait for the member to finish speaking, which might take ten minutes, but interrupts the speaker to announce that the time for adjournment has arrived and to declare the meeting adjourned unless an appropriate motion to reschedule the time for adjournment is made per page 374. Edited November 10, 2017 at 01:09 AM by Richard Brown Added the first page 374 reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted November 10, 2017 at 01:15 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 01:15 AM 18 minutes ago, Richard Brown said: Joshua, a call for the orders of the day would be effective for adjourning only if a time for adjournment had been previously set (and reached). I don't believe we know yet if that is really the case, but that does seem to be the basis of your answer. Don't we know that the scheduled time for adjournment has "come and gone"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted November 10, 2017 at 01:23 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 01:23 AM 1 minute ago, Gary Novosielski said: Don't we know that the scheduled time for adjournment has "come and gone"? We don't know exactly what the original poster meant by that comment. Scheduled by whom and how? The bylaws? A rule? A motion ? Someone's statement in a notice of when that person thought the meeting would probably end? Is it a firm rule (or setting) or a custom that the meetings generally end around that time? Shmuel explained it pretty well in his post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted November 10, 2017 at 02:32 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 02:32 AM 1 hour ago, Richard Brown said: Joshua, a call for the orders of the day would be effective for adjourning only if a time for adjournment had been previously set (and reached). I don't believe we know yet if that is really the case, but that does seem to be the basis of your answer. That was my assumption based on the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted November 10, 2017 at 04:17 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 04:17 AM 3 hours ago, Richard Brown said: Based on the language on page 374 and of #11 on page 450, it seems the chair does not have to wait for the member to finish speaking, which might take ten minutes, but interrupts the speaker to announce that the time for adjournment has arrived and to declare the meeting adjourned unless an appropriate motion to reschedule the time for adjournment is made per page 374. And yet this is not one of the permitted interruptions listed on Page 384. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted November 10, 2017 at 05:11 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 05:11 AM 4 hours ago, Richard Brown said: Based on the language on page 374 and of #11 on page 450, it seems the chair does not have to wait for the member to finish speaking, which might take ten minutes, but interrupts the speaker to announce that the time for adjournment has arrived and to declare the meeting adjourned unless an appropriate motion to reschedule the time for adjournment is made per page 374. 54 minutes ago, Guest Who's Coming to Dinner said: And yet this is not one of the permitted interruptions listed on Page 384. Well, let's just say that item (a) on the list is close enough for government work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sheri Posted November 13, 2017 at 06:17 PM Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 at 06:17 PM On 11/9/2017 at 5:01 PM, Guest Sheri said: A heated discussion is taking place at a Senate meeting. The issue is that the scheduled meeting time has come and gone. How is this addressed in a respectful manner so that the meeting can come to an end? The meeting times are published on the Senate website, however they are not specifically noted in the bylaws. The tradition has always been that the meeting adjourns at the given time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted November 13, 2017 at 06:37 PM Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 at 06:37 PM 17 minutes ago, Guest Sheri said: The meeting times are published on the Senate website, however they are not specifically noted in the bylaws. The tradition has always been that the meeting adjourns at the given time. I’m not sure that a tradition or a posting on the website is sufficient. If the assembly has adopted a rule that all of its regular meetings shall adjourn at a particular time, or if it adopted an agenda or motion providing that this particular meeting would adjourn at a particular time, then the chair may announce the adjournment when that time is reached. If the assembly wished to continue the meeting beyond the scheduled time, this would require a suspension of the rules, or amending the motion or agenda which scheduled the time for adjournment. If no time for adjournment has actually been scheduled by the assembly, then a member could move to adjourn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintCad Posted November 13, 2017 at 09:44 PM Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 at 09:44 PM Or the agenda can be amended in the beginning by a majority of members to set a time for adjournment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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