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Situation: Board dealing with Motion to establish an ad hoc cmte. re safety with date to report back. when before the board a member suggests a date 6 months from present date. Chair rules difference in date is "substantial change" so we can only vote against Motion with present date, Motion, without any amendments is voted down. A motion to establish an ad hoc cmte re safety (same intent) with the later date is introduced and passed. Chair was questioned and also advised that an amendment to the date would have achieved the same result. Chair explained the "substantial change" to motion rule. ?? Chair was also challenged that a motion just voted down could not be introduced at same meeting.    Your thoughts and also lead to RONR 11 that covers substantial change. Thank you

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31 minutes ago, Guest Paul said:

Situation: Board dealing with Motion to establish an ad hoc cmte. re safety with date to report back. when before the board a member suggests a date 6 months from present date. Chair rules difference in date is "substantial change" so we can only vote against Motion with present date, Motion, without any amendments is voted down. A motion to establish an ad hoc cmte re safety (same intent) with the later date is introduced and passed. Chair was questioned and also advised that an amendment to the date would have achieved the same result. Chair explained the "substantial change" to motion rule. ?? Chair was also challenged that a motion just voted down could not be introduced at same meeting.    Your thoughts and also lead to RONR 11 that covers substantial change. Thank you

It would appear that your chair was in error in ruling that the proposed amendment was not in order (and so we can't point to anything in RONR saying he was right), but since the same result has been achieved by the adoption of the revised motion, I suspect no harm has been done.

 

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1 hour ago, Guest Paul said:

Situation: Board dealing with Motion to establish an ad hoc cmte. re safety with date to report back. when before the board a member suggests a date 6 months from present date. Chair rules difference in date is "substantial change" so we can only vote against Motion with present date, Motion, without any amendments is voted down. A motion to establish an ad hoc cmte re safety (same intent) with the later date is introduced and passed. Chair was questioned and also advised that an amendment to the date would have achieved the same result. Chair explained the "substantial change" to motion rule. ?? Chair was also challenged that a motion just voted down could not be introduced at same meeting.    Your thoughts and also lead to RONR 11 that covers substantial change. Thank you

The chair should have accepted the second date as a simple amendment. It could hardly be called a "substantial" change, but even if it were, there is no rule against an amendment substantially changing the main motion, as long as it is germane to the subject.

The motion that was made and passed afterwards posed a different question than the first one, so there is no prohibition against moving it at the same meeting.

Things could have been handled better, but leaving well-enough alone is the best advice for now.

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36 minutes ago, Greg Goodwiller said:

Since you asked for an RONR 11 reference, on pp. 138-9 there is a list of six types of "improper amendments." As has been noted by others, "substantial change" is not one of them, but it is good to be familiar with the list in a meeting - especially when presiding.

The chair appears to have been thinking of the rule providing that, if a motion is defeated, a new motion which presents substantially the same question is not in order, and somehow confused this with the rules regarding whether an amendment is in order.

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