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Tina Marie

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I am preparing for an annual meeting and noticed we have a rule that is "per Robert's Rules of Order" alternates will not be seated with delegates. 

I ask because I have spent my lunch correcting other miss quotes that are in our meeting packet (ie our by laws ask for a form for a motion and that was not included). 

Please advise if I am missing something. I would be GLAD to not find another error!

Thanks!

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6 minutes ago, Tina Marie said:

I am preparing for an annual meeting and noticed we have a rule that is "per Robert's Rules of Order" alternates will not be seated with delegates. 

I ask because I have spent my lunch correcting other miss quotes that are in our meeting packet (ie our by laws ask for a form for a motion and that was not included). 

Please advise if I am missing something. I would be GLAD to not find another error!

Thanks!

"Status and Seating of Alternates; Replacement Procedure. Alternates registered as such are usually provided with badges of a different color or shape from those of delegates and are seated in sections apart from them."  RONR (11th ed.), p. 604

Your rules may provide otherwise.

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22 hours ago, Tina Marie said:

I am preparing for an annual meeting and noticed we have a rule that is "per Robert's Rules of Order" alternates will not be seated with delegates. 

I ask because I have spent my lunch correcting other miss quotes that are in our meeting packet (ie our by laws ask for a form for a motion and that was not included). 

Please advise if I am missing something. I would be GLAD to not find another error!

Thanks!

Well, it says they "usually" are seated separately, but it's not exactly a rule in RONR. It may be a rule in your rulebook.

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4 minutes ago, George Mervosh said:

That's an interesting way to read that quote.

If by interesting you mean erroneous, I have to admit there's another way to read it.  But if the OPs rules say it is so "per RONR" I would not quarrel with the fact that it is true "per RONR".  And the society would be free to adopt such a requirement even if RONR was silent on the issue.

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20 minutes ago, Joshua Katz said:

I'm having trouble seeing how to read it as a "must" rule. In fact, I'm having trouble seeing how to read it as a rule at all, rather than a descriptive statement. Nonetheless, it's a good idea.

I agree.  That is my interpretation, too.  I think it is describing a custom more than creating a rule.  At most, I think maybe it is a "should" rule rather than a "must" rule.

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If convention attendees all had similar badges and sat together presiding officers may have a hard time distinguishing delegates from alternates during voting. Perhaps there is a way of controlling such a thing and I would not mind hearing from someone that has attended one of the major party's conventions to reveal how they dealt with this.

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Define "major." 😉 The conventions I've attended did not, in my view, have a good system for dealing with alternates - they had different colored badges, but sat with state delegations. But it was also very easy, under the rules, for an alternate to become a delegate, and then they'd have the wrong badge.

I've been parliamentarian for state conventions, though, that handled it better - they had better rules, and it's easier with a smaller group. The largest I worked had a section of the room for alternates, and had a credentials desk for badge swapping when an alternate stepped into a delegate position.

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44 minutes ago, reelsman said:

I think the main thing is to keep alternate delegates separate from the voting members to prevent illegal votes by illegal voters.

Agreed, but it's challenging on a voice vote. It's also challenging on division when the alternates are mixed in and sometimes have the wrong badges (i.e. are seated but still have alternate badges).

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