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Recount a Rising Counted vote?

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Page 410, lines 31-35 endorse a recount of a "rising counted vote". 

How is that to be done when, as is most common, the tellers count their side of the room (say) and report their number to the chair?  They can't just do it again since that would amount to retaking the vote "by the same form of voting". 

Looks to me that the cited lines overstate the possibilities. 

(Granted, p. 411, lines 19-21 help a bit but in a rather rare situation;  p. 410 is still too sweeping in my view.)

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21 minutes ago, jstackpo said:

Page 410, lines 31-35 endorse a recount of a "rising counted vote". 

How is that to be done when, as is most common, the tellers count their side of the room (say) and report their number to the chair?  They can't just do it again since that would amount to retaking the vote "by the same form of voting". 

Looks to me that the cited lines overstate the possibilities. 

(Granted, p. 411, lines 19-21 help a bit but in a rather rare situation;  p. 410 is still too sweeping in my view.)

It seems to me that a recount of a rising vote may only be taken in the event that tally sheets are taken and kept, and it is the marks on the tally sheets which are recounted.

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I suppose, but I have difficulty seeing how "tally sheets" would be used or constructed for a rising counted vote.   Unless, maybe, in a big meeting, the tellers would count sub-sections of the meeting area, write their numbers down, and a chief teller would do the sum for the report to the chair. Not much room for error there.

I'd think the largest (potential) error would be in the tellers doing the counting, and a "recount" doesn't redo that. Guess the "re-vote" would next be by ballot, if a majority agreed to take the time and do that.

Or rent reliable electronic clickers in the first place.

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Mr. Martin has it right. A recount of the votes taken by a counted rising vote can be ordered only if written records such as tellers' tally sheets were prepared in counting the votes, and these records have been retained.

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Curiosity killed the cat: Why does the rule say that verifying a vote must be taken by a different form (page 410)? If a majority wish to simply take it again surely the majority cannot be accused of any dilatory tactic. Perhaps this is related to the concept that the assembly cannot adopt the same identical motion during the same session?

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