Rob Dengler Posted May 10, 2019 at 05:53 PM Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 at 05:53 PM If a voted in board member gets so upset with an issue that he slams his fists on the table, stands up and says "I quit this board.." and stomps out the door. are they out? This happen to a private club I'm on the board of. Nothing was said about him walking out. The next month he showed up and made a motion on a very controversial issue that was then voted on and passed. My question is, is that motion at risk, was he still on the board, could he even make the motion now?? Did he need to follow some procedures to get back on the board? Looking for some help. Thank you, Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted May 10, 2019 at 06:33 PM Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 at 06:33 PM (edited) 40 minutes ago, Rob Dengler said: If a voted in board member gets so upset with an issue that he slams his fists on the table, stands up and says "I quit this board.." and stomps out the door. are they out? This happen to a private club I'm on the board of. Nothing was said about him walking out. The next month he showed up and made a motion on a very controversial issue that was then voted on and passed. My question is, is that motion at risk, was he still on the board, could he even make the motion now?? Did he need to follow some procedures to get back on the board? Looking for some help. Thank you, Rob It's a stretch to say this was a proper resignation request, but even if you feel it was, he didn't need to do a thing except show up again and participate, which basically withdrew any perceived request. So he's not out. See http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#18 Edited May 10, 2019 at 06:34 PM by George Mervosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted May 10, 2019 at 07:03 PM Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 at 07:03 PM In the future if this happens again (and you all want to get rid of this person) someone should immediately move to accept the resignation and then accept it. Of course, this assumes the Board is authorized to accept resignations and fill the vacancy (RONR p. 467 ll. 25-34). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted May 10, 2019 at 08:40 PM Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 at 08:40 PM 2 hours ago, Rob Dengler said: If a voted in board member gets so upset with an issue that he slams his fists on the table, stands up and says "I quit this board.." and stomps out the door. are they out? Only if the board accepts the Request to be Excused from a Duty (which it seems it did not do). A resignation is not final until it is accepted, and until the chair has stated the question on its acceptance, it may be unilaterally withdrawn. (As Mr. Harrison notes, this assumes that the board is authorized to fill vacancies.) 2 hours ago, Rob Dengler said: My question is, is that motion at risk, was he still on the board, could he even make the motion now?? No, yes, yes. 2 hours ago, Rob Dengler said: Did he need to follow some procedures to get back on the board? No, because he did not leave the board to begin with. 2 hours ago, George Mervosh said: It's a stretch to say this was a proper resignation request, but even if you feel it was, he didn't need to do a thing except show up again and participate, which basically withdrew any perceived request. So he's not out. See http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#18 I disagree that it is a stretch to say this was a proper resignation request. “A resignation is submitted in writing, addressed to the secretary or appointing power; alternatively, it may be submitted during a meeting either orally or in writing.” (RONR, 11th ed., pg. 291) As noted above, a resignation may be submitted orally during a meeting, and a statement that “I quit this board” quite clearly sounds like a resignation to me. I agree, however, that the member’s subsequent participation in meetings should be considered a withdrawal of the resignation, which the member is entitled to do because no action has been taken on the resignation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted May 11, 2019 at 02:02 PM Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 at 02:02 PM 17 hours ago, Josh Martin said: I disagree that it is a stretch to say this was a proper resignation request. “A resignation is submitted in writing, addressed to the secretary or appointing power; alternatively, it may be submitted during a meeting either orally or in writing.” (RONR, 11th ed., pg. 291) As noted above, a resignation may be submitted orally during a meeting, and a statement that “I quit this board” quite clearly sounds like a resignation to me. I agree, however, that the member’s subsequent participation in meetings should be considered a withdrawal of the resignation, which the member is entitled to do because no action has been taken on the resignation. Ok, ok, I suppose pounding your fists on the table and yelling that you quit technically means he's giving his resignation orally in a meeting, but I'm probably jaded by the fact I've seen it several times and none have ever really meant it as a resignation request. The outraged member should be very glad our quick thinking friend Mr. Harrison wasn't in the assembly or it's likely he'd have been out if the board had the powers noted above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atul Kapur Posted May 11, 2019 at 02:37 PM Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 at 02:37 PM Happened to Winston Churchill's father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 12, 2019 at 02:53 PM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 02:53 PM On 5/11/2019 at 10:02 AM, George Mervosh said: Ok, ok, I suppose pounding your fists on the table and yelling that you quit technically means he's giving his resignation orally in a meeting, but I'm probably jaded by the fact I've seen it several times and none have ever really meant it as a resignation request. Oh, yes, I would agree that such dramatic outbursts are commonly intended to create drama rather than to request to be excused from a duty. And if the desired drama is achieved, such fist pounders are very likely to repeat the performance the next time they do not get their way. I've also seen it several times, and I can confirm that an effective way of putting a stop to it is to immediately move to accept the resignation. I've actually done it, and before my motion was seconded, the would-be resignee responded, "Hang on, hang on! I'm just saying that this is not right." (And never pulled that stunt again, to my knowledge.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 12, 2019 at 02:55 PM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 02:55 PM The above message is not editable, and appears to have some strange thing wrong with the quote. I think these are related. It seems to occur after I quote a message and then edit down the quote to the most relevant part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted May 12, 2019 at 04:01 PM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 04:01 PM 1 hour ago, Gary Novosielski said: The above message In case you haven't tried it, you can select any continuous portion of the message you wish to partially quote, wait a second or two, then click on the little (internal) "quote selection" box. That is what I did to generate the "The above message" quote just above this text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 12, 2019 at 04:53 PM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 04:53 PM (edited) 51 minutes ago, jstackpo said: you can select any continuous portion of the message Yeah, I've used that method as well. If it works better, I'll switch to it more often. Edited to add: Which it apparently does. Edited May 12, 2019 at 04:53 PM by Gary Novosielski To test things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted May 12, 2019 at 09:06 PM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 09:06 PM I was unable to edit a post I made just a few minutes ago. I first edited by striking through some text and adding a paragraph, but the system would not accept the edit. I then removed the strikethrough and simply added the new paragraph and it worked. Something strange is going on with the edit feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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