Tomm Posted July 14, 2019 at 12:45 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 at 12:45 AM Do the new rules that apply to small boards (i.e. no second, number of times to speak in debate) have to be specifically spelled out and allowed in the bylaws or standing rules to be used or are they just a given as part of the parliamentary authority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted July 14, 2019 at 01:04 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 at 01:04 AM They apply to small boards (and committees) unless the body to which they report, such as the general membership, instructs the board that they do not apply. They can also be used in other small assemblies, if the assembly adopts a rule to that effect.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zev Posted July 14, 2019 at 01:22 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 at 01:22 AM While reading the relevant page 488, I saw Quote When a proposal is perfectly clear to all present, a vote can be taken without a motion's having been introduced. To those better at grammar, shouldn't that have been "... without a motion having been introduced."? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted July 14, 2019 at 01:25 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 at 01:25 AM I would support the use of the possessive in that instance, without a moment's hesitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted July 14, 2019 at 03:47 PM Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 at 03:47 PM 14 hours ago, Guest Zev said: While reading the relevant page 488, I saw To those better at grammar, shouldn't that have been "... without a motion having been introduced."? Yes. "Motion" is the subject of the passive verb "having been introduced" within the prepositional phrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zev Posted July 14, 2019 at 06:20 PM Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 at 06:20 PM 2 hours ago, reelsman said: Yes. "Motion" is the subject of the passive verb "having been introduced" within the prepositional phrase. Excellent! Mr. Gerber, please take notice, p. 488:10. One more fix for the next edition. Thank you Reelsman! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted July 15, 2019 at 09:34 PM Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 09:34 PM The possessive is correct before a gerund. Consider: Whitaker did not like the woman standing in front of him at the parade. Whitaker did not like the woman’s standing in front of him at the parade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zev Posted July 15, 2019 at 11:29 PM Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 11:29 PM I stand corrected and wish to withdraw my shoutout to Mr. Gerber. The web site https://getitwriteonline.com (where Whitaker was standing) explained it quite well. Thank you Mr. N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:46 AM Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:46 AM Me thinks you withdrew too soon, Guest Zev. The construction involving Whitaker is not the same as the construction on p. 488. Whitaker is a red herring, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zev Posted July 16, 2019 at 02:12 AM Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 at 02:12 AM 1 hour ago, reelsman said: Me thinks you withdrew too soon, Guest Zev. Perhaps you are correct. However, the last time I raised a grammatical issue I got bonked on the head by Mr. Honemann. So I think it is better that I just skedaddle for now. Nevertheless, I thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted July 16, 2019 at 02:35 PM Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 at 02:35 PM I understand. I've been bonked before. Perhaps Mr. Gerber has enough to go on and will look's further into this's matter's. ☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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