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12 hours ago, Leo said:

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The election of a secretary pro tem is allowed, since any meeting, even an inquorate one, requires both a presiding and a recording officer.

The calling of the roll is not a motion.  If a motion on which a vote is being taken is one of those permitted, then a roll-call vote is in order.  If you are referring to calling the roll for the purpose of recording attendance, then I'll first point out that RONR does not require this to be done.  If by rule or custom your organization does record attendance, then it would certainly pertain to the conduct of the meeting, since it relates directly to whether or not a quorum exists.

On the third question you may get multiple opinions, but I don't think [this one] should be allowed. It only relates to the conduct of the meeting if it should later obtain a quorum.  Adopting it before that point would be frivolous.

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Wouldn't: 1) the election of a secretary pro tem, 2) the motion to call the roll, and 3) the motion to obtain quorum constitute an agenda?

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No, not according to the strict definition on p 371.    The three steps you describe are just parts of an order of business.

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As to the third question, I agree with Mr. Novosielski that a main motion to adopt an agenda is not in order in an inquorate meeting, since the making of orders of the day is clearly not one of the actions which the rules permit in an inquorate meeting.

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6 hours ago, Leo said:

Wouldn't: 1) the election of a secretary pro tem, 2) the motion to call the roll, and 3) the motion to obtain quorum constitute an agenda?

No. The election of a secretary pro tem would presumably not be a known requirement ahead of time, and there should be no need for a motion to call the roll. The chair simply announces "The Secretary will call the roll" if there is a rule or custom to do so.

If there were an Agenda, none of these things would logically to be on it, since any or all of them would need to occur before the Agenda was approved, creating a logic race of sorts.

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3 hours ago, Shmuel Gerber said:

Why is this posted as a graphic instead of text?

I don't know. I just didi a cut and paste from a word file and it turned up as it is.

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14 hours ago, Leo said:

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A.) Yes.

B.) I presume this is a roll call taken by some rule or custom of the assembly. I think this is indeed related to the conduct of the meeting.

C.) No, I don’t think so.

8 hours ago, Leo said:

Wouldn't: 1) the election of a secretary pro tem, 2) the motion to call the roll, and 3) the motion to obtain quorum constitute an agenda?

No, I don’t think the adoption of an agenda solely for these items is necessary or proper.

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9 hours ago, Leo said:

Wouldn't: 1) the election of a secretary pro tem, 2) the motion to call the roll, and 3) the motion to obtain quorum constitute an agenda?

Only in the colloquial, incorrect sense (where the term "order of business" better fits).

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2 hours ago, Leo said:

I don't know. I just didi a cut and paste from a word file and it turned up as it is.

You did a "Screen Shot", not a cut and paste.  The screen shot turned your selected text into a .png (graphic) file.

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