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THE TRAP IN RRONR-11's SAMPLE BYLAWS:

Robert's Sample Bylaws contain a Trap!

Article V, Section 1, states that "The regular meetings of the Society shall be held on the second Tuesday of each month from September to May inclusive, unless otherwise ordered by the Society" -- that is, the Society has the power to change the date of an individual regular meeting at need. (And, BTW, kudos to them for adding the word "inclusive"!)

This is perfectly fine. BUT, the Trap comes in Section 2: "The regular meeting on the second Tuesday in April shall be known as the annual meeting, and shall..." Take note! By specifying an exact day ("second Tuesday in April"), this provision unwittingly removes the Society's power to alter the meeting date in the particular case of the annual meeting, because this provision requires that the annual meeting must be held on the second Tuesday in April!

 

This has long been a pet peeve of mine!

 

Excising a mere four words corrects this:

"I hereby move to amend Article V, Section 2 of the Sample Bylaws, by striking out the words 'on the second Tuesday.' "

That leaves us with, "The regular meeting in April shall be known as the annual meeting, and shall...,"

...Which is perfectly fine, because the term "regular meeting" is already defined in Section 1. 

Better still, by not specifying any specific day for that "regular meeting," this wording preserves the Society's power, at need, to change the date even of the annual meeting.

And, by the way -- it's much better to use "must" or "will," rather than "shall."

--TheGrandRascal

Edited by TheGrandRascal

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On 4/1/2020 at 12:48 PM, Daniel H. Honemann said:

RRONR?

As in, "Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised."

RRONR is a perfectly standard abbreviation used here.

RRONR-11 refers to the 11th edition.

Edited by TheGrandRascal
Expanded upon explanation of abbreviation.

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6 hours ago, TheGrandRascal said:

As in, "Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised."

RRONR is a perfectly standard abbreviation used here.

RRONR-11 refers to the 11th edition.

Used by some, I suppose, but never by the cognoscenti.  

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On 5/10/2020 at 4:16 AM, TheGrandRascal said:

As in, "Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised."

RRONR is a perfectly standard abbreviation used here.

RRONR-11 refers to the 11th edition.

RONR is among the standard abbreviations used here.

RRONR, to the best of my knowledge, is not.

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On 5/10/2020 at 3:16 AM, TheGrandRascal said:

As in, "Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised."

RRONR is a perfectly standard abbreviation used here.

RRONR-11 refers to the 11th edition.

 

On 4/1/2020 at 11:48 AM, Daniel H. Honemann said:

RRONR?

Mr. Rascal, I am in the top 5 posters on this message board and I assure you that the accepted and correct citation (and abbreviation) of Robert's Rules of order Newly Revised is RONR, not RRONR.  I have  never seen one of our regular posters or a professional or credentialed parliamentarian use RRONR.  The book itself tells you  on the third unnumbered page just inside the cover that its official citation is RONR.

Here is the official citation from the book itself on the page I referred to:

CITE THIS BOOK     
with page and line numbers as
in the following example:     
RONR (11th ed.), p. 449, ll. 12–14     

Edited to add:  FYI, Daniel Honemann, who commented above, is one of the authors of both the  10th and 11th editions.  I think he knows what he is talking about and I understand his surprise at your insistence that the correct abbreviation of "his" book  is RRONR.  

 

Edited by Richard Brown
Added last paragraph

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