If removing a motion from the table that was made by person no longer a member, is it still their motion.

[Guest Daniel M. Levy]

A motion was made and seconded.  After some discussion it was laid on the table.  Both the person making and seconding the motion were just replaced.  If the original motion is removed from the table at the upcoming meeting (first one since), who do the minutes reflect made the motion?  The former members?   

[Weldon Merritt]

Presumably, the minutes of the meeting where the motion was made will show who made the motion. I think the minutes of the meeting where it was taken from the table would simply indicate that it was taken from the table, and the disposition of it after it was taken from the table. No need to again list who initially made the made motion, nor (IMO) even who moved to take it from the table. 

Edited November 24, 2020 at 03:34 AM by Weldon Merritt
Edited to correct a typo.

[J. J.]

Any member could move to take the question from the table. 

[George Mervosh]

13 hours ago, Guest Daniel M. Levy said:

A motion was made and seconded.  After some discussion it was laid on the table.  Both the person making and seconding the motion were just replaced.  If the original motion is removed from the table at the upcoming meeting (first one since), who do the minutes reflect made the motion?  The former members?   

How long has it been since the meeting where the motion was laid on the table?  If it  has been more than a quarterly time interval (RONR 12th ed. 9:7), there is no motion remaining on the table and it can be made again anew if desired.

[J. J.]

13 hours ago, Guest Daniel M. Levy said:

A motion was made and seconded.  After some discussion it was laid on the table.  Both the person making and seconding the motion were just replaced.  If the original motion is removed from the table at the upcoming meeting (first one since), who do the minutes reflect made the motion?  The former members?   

Assuming that it is in order to take the question from the table, the minutes would read, "The motion [insert text] was taken from the table."  You could even add "that was placed on the table at the [date] meeting," after inserting the text, but I do not feel that it is necessary.

[Guest Daniel M. Levy]

Thanks for quick replies.  It will have been only 2 months, so no problem there.  Concern was that neither the person making the motion nor the one seconding it will be members at the time it gets voted on. Present members would still like to "officially credit" them.

[Gary Novosielski]

15 minutes ago, Guest Daniel M. Levy said:

Thanks for quick replies.  It will have been only 2 months, so no problem there.  Concern was that neither the person making the motion nor the one seconding it will be members at the time it gets voted on. Present members would still like to "officially credit" them.

Once a motion has been moved, seconded, and placed before the assembly, it ceases to "belong" to the mover (or seconder).  It belongs then to the assembly as a whole, and cannot even be withdrawn by the original mover without the permission of the assembly.

So, no worries, you can take it from the table at the next meeting.

[J. J.]

37 minutes ago, Guest Daniel M. Levy said:

Thanks for quick replies.  It will have been only 2 months, so no problem there.  Concern was that neither the person making the motion nor the one seconding it will be members at the time it gets voted on. Present members would still like to "officially credit" them.

The members/former members names that made (and seconded) the main motion would go in the minutes of the meeting where the motion was made.  While the names of the members/former members is not necessary for Lay on the Table, they would be placed in the minutes, it would be in of the meeting where the motion was made.  While the names of the members is not necessary needed for Take From the Table, they would be placed in the minutes, it would be in of the meeting where the motion was made. 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2020 at 06:57 PM by J. J.
Removing 4 letters.

[Weldon Merritt]

25 minutes ago, Guest Daniel M. Levy said:

Concern was that neither the person making the motion nor the one seconding it will be members at the time it gets voted on. Present members would still like to "officially credit" them.

The mover, at least, should have been "credited" in the minutes of the meeting where he or she made the motion. The seconder ordinarily should not be mentioned at all (just the fact that the motion was seconded). But if your organization has a custom of listing the seconder, then he or she also should have been "credited" in the previous meeting's minutes. No need to "credit" them again.

[Guest Puzzeling]

Puzzling about what is written about the (original) members being replaced.

Was this some kind of board?

How did they lose their membership?

Then depending on how this happened (elections?) The session could have ended (Ronr 12 49:22) and the motion dies (and cannot be taken of the table)

[Richard Brown]

4 hours ago, Guest Puzzeling said:

Puzzling about what is written about the (original) members being replaced.

Was this some kind of board?

How did they lose their membership?

Then depending on how this happened (elections?) The session could have ended (Ronr 12 49:22) and the motion dies (and cannot be taken of the table)

Guest Puzzleing raises a valid point. I also wondered about the rather strange language that both the member who made the motion and the member who seconded the motion had been “replaced” but I did not connect all of the dots at the time. 

Guest Daniel Levy, can you explain? Was this a board of some type, such as an executive board or executive committee? Why were the members replaced? Did their terms expire and they were replaced because of an election?

if that’s the case, then the motion did indeed fall to the ground and must be made again in order to be adopted.

 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2020 at 02:09 PM by Richard Brown
Re-worded parts of post.

[Guest Daniel M. Levy]

Richard Brown, Guest Puzzling,

it is a permanent government commission whose members are appointed on a rotating basis.  These two terms will expire before the next meeting and it is anticipated they will not be reappointed.  Remaining members want to take the resolution off the table rather than having someone just make it anew.

So yes, the question does turn on whether a motion automatically falls off the table if the moving party is replaced (or dies for that matter)?   

 

 

Thanks for quick replies.  It will have been only 2 months, so no problem there.  Concern was that neither the person making the motion nor the one seconding it will be members at the time it gets voted on. Present members would still like to "officially credit" them.

[Weldon Merritt]

18 minutes ago, Guest Daniel M. Levy said:

So yes, the question does turn on whether a motion automatically falls off the table if the moving party is replaced (or dies for that matter)?   

Since the members' terms expire before the next meeting, the motion will fall to the ground and cannot be taken from the table. But it can simply be made again. Note that this will be true whether or not the two members are reappointed to a new term. It is the expiration of the current term that is relevant, not who might or might not be appointed to the new term.

However, if a member is replaced mid-term, because of death, resignation, or removal, that will not cause the motion to fall to the ground, and it could be taken from the table. But based on your information, that does not seem to apply here.

[Guest Daniel M. Levy]

3 hours ago, Weldon Merritt said:

Since the members' terms expire before the next meeting, the motion will fall to the ground and cannot be taken from the table. But it can simply be made again. Note that this will be true whether or not the two members are reappointed to a new term. It is the expiration of the current term that is relevant, not who might or might not be appointed to the new term.

Thanks, VERY helpful.  Now that I have all the information I NEED, I have one final question just for curiosity's sake.  Members are appointed for four years, with 1/4 of terms expiring every year.  Does the term end for the body every year? or just for those whose term is up?  (Would motion have survived if it had been made by someone in the middle of their personal term?)

[Weldon Merritt]

16 minutes ago, Guest Daniel M. Levy said:

(Would motion have survived if it had been made by someone in the middle of their personal term?)

No. If the terms of any or all of the members expire, any unfinished business, including any motions that are on the table, fall to the ground. The only legitimate way for a matter to be carried over to the next term is if it has been referred to a committee with instructions to report at a later date in the new term.

[Guest Daniel M. Levy]

This forum and y'all are great.  Thanks much