Transpower Posted January 7, 2021 at 06:14 PM Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 at 06:14 PM I just received my copy of the new 12th edition of RONR. I see that this version is using section and paragraph numbers, rather than pages and lines. The list of abbreviations does not include "ll." (lines x to y). So: what if we want to quote just a line or two from a particular section and paragraph? Can we still use "ll." within a section and paragraph, or is that now considered unnecessary or wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted January 7, 2021 at 06:24 PM Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 at 06:24 PM (edited) No. With the new "liquid publishing" format of the book, paganation and flowing of lines will vary from device to device, depending on the size of the screen. This means that there are no inherent line numbers, and the "l" and "ll" abbreviations are meaningless. Edited January 7, 2021 at 06:25 PM by Rob Elsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldon Merritt Posted January 7, 2021 at 06:30 PM Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 at 06:30 PM 10 minutes ago, Transpower said: Can we still use "ll." within a section and paragraph, or is that now considered unnecessary or wrong? Mr. Elsman beat me to the punch. But I will add that in most other contexts, it has never been standard too cite line numbers for the simple reason that most publications don't include them. It shouldn't be too difficult for someone who wants to check the accuracy of a quotation to find the text within the cited section and paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted January 7, 2021 at 08:04 PM Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 at 08:04 PM Agreeing with Mr. Elsman and Mr. Merritt, you can always quote the passage you want to emphasize. With the CD-ROM version, a "copy and paste" is easy to do, but, unfortunately, the new CD-ROM version has not yet been released. An alternative is to purchase the Kindle version and copy from it. You can also say "about halfway down the section" or "the third sentence" or "second paragraph", etc. I do miss the ability to refer to line numbers, but it is what it is. If i feel a particular sentence or part of a sentence is important, I will often quote it verbatim. Once the CD-ROM version is released, I will likely wind up doing a lot of copying and pasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 7, 2021 at 08:04 PM Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 at 08:04 PM And bear in mind that longer paragraphs are often divided into (1) numbered sections which can be (2) part of the citation as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transpower Posted January 7, 2021 at 10:29 PM Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 at 10:29 PM Thanks for the responses. OK, I'll just give the section and paragraph numbers and presume that anyone can find the quoted line or lines therein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 8, 2021 at 01:22 AM Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 at 01:22 AM 2 hours ago, Transpower said: Thanks for the responses. OK, I'll just give the section and paragraph numbers and presume that anyone can find the quoted line or lines therein. Well, give a look at the full specs for citations, including numbered subparagraphs and footnotes as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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