Josh Martin Posted June 30, 2021 at 12:57 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 at 12:57 PM 1 minute ago, par said: Unfortunately RR are often used to give legitimacy to stupidity via an appeal-to-authority. Pretending it isn't the case is disingenuous. As has been previously noted, there are a number of cases in which RONR explicitly says that certain rules (notwithstanding that the rules may ultimately be adopted in the bylaws) are extremely ill-advised. I don't know what more can be done in this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par Posted June 30, 2021 at 01:25 PM Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 at 01:25 PM 24 minutes ago, Josh Martin said: As has been previously noted, there are a number of cases in which RONR explicitly says that certain rules (notwithstanding that the rules may ultimately be adopted in the bylaws) are extremely ill-advised. I don't know what more can be done in this regard. Making RR available for free would probably go a long way towards this goal. Right now only enlightened few have access to the full text and know what's in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted June 30, 2021 at 01:33 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 at 01:33 PM (edited) 8 minutes ago, par said: Making RR available for free would probably go a long way towards this goal. Right now only enlightened few have access to the full text and know what's in it. Well, You are perfectly free to purchase and distribute for free all of the copies of RONR that you desire! I am sure the authors and the publisher would appreciate the extra sales. 😃 Edited to add: btw, I haven’t checked lately but I believe that RONR is around $18 on Amazon and it is also available in bookstores. The “in brief“ version, which contains most of the information that the average meeting participant needs, is probably around eight dollars. Edited June 30, 2021 at 01:36 PM by Richard Brown Added last paragraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atul Kapur Posted June 30, 2021 at 02:20 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 at 02:20 PM (edited) @par said "Unfortunately RR are often used to give legitimacy to stupidity via an appeal-to-authority." The proper response when that happens is often, "Please show me where Robert's Rules actually says that." It usually turns out that what the person claims is in Robert's Rules is actually not there. But that requires someone who is willing to call out the misuse. The book itself doesn't jump up and say "That's incorrect." Edited June 30, 2021 at 02:24 PM by Atul Kapur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par Posted June 30, 2021 at 03:55 PM Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 at 03:55 PM 2 hours ago, Richard Brown said: Well, You are perfectly free to purchase and distribute for free all of the copies of RONR that you desire! I am sure the authors and the publisher would appreciate the extra sales. 😃 It's all about money, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted June 30, 2021 at 04:26 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 at 04:26 PM 13 minutes ago, par said: It's all about money, isn't it? Isn’t that what our free enterprise system is all about? Why don’t you go do your job for free? Publishing an 800 page book isn’t cheap. The Robert’s Rules Association does provide this forum to the public for free as a public service even though it costs them money to do so. All of us who contribute to it do so for free as a public service despite many of us having hourly consulting rates of $50 - $200 an hour, some maybe even higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted June 30, 2021 at 06:39 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 at 06:39 PM 5 hours ago, par said: Making RR available for free would probably go a long way towards this goal. Right now only enlightened few have access to the full text and know what's in it. Well, that's interesting, but I don't know what has to do with the price of oranges. Your original statement was that it was a problem that RONR was not "authoritative" enough on certain matters, and I was addressing that concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par Posted June 30, 2021 at 06:46 PM Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 at 06:46 PM 1 minute ago, Josh Martin said: Well, that's interesting, but I don't know what has to do with the price of oranges. Your original statement was that it was a problem that RONR was not "authoritative" enough on certain matters, and I was addressing that concern. I was just presenting an idea since you were asking for a solution in the post I replied to: > I don't know what more can be done in this regard. Maybe you don't want to hear this kind of ideas and that's fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted June 30, 2021 at 09:01 PM Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 at 09:01 PM 2 hours ago, par said: I was just presenting an idea since you were asking for a solution in the post I replied to: > I don't know what more can be done in this regard. Maybe you don't want to hear this kind of ideas and that's fine with me. I suppose I must have misunderstood what your original complaint was. I took it to relate to the contents of RONR rather than to its availability. I have no control over the price of RONR. I am not a member of the Authorship Team and I do not work for the publisher. I just post here. So whether or not I want to hear such a suggestion doesn't really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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