Virgil Posted July 20, 2023 at 02:54 AM Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 at 02:54 AM All, I need help with this one; I have 2 years left on a 3 year term as an HOA Board Director. Again, I find myself in the minority because we have a fractured board of 5-4. The newly elected President insists on using Robert's Rules for Dummies. Last year, the board approved using RONR NR 12th. The Executive Secretary even had a copy of it and referred to it frequently. I vehemently disagree using Robert's Rules for Dummies instead of RONR. It seems like we are going backwards without using the "Official" resource/book. Question: How do I convince the Board to accept using the official book? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, Sincerely, Virgil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lages Posted July 20, 2023 at 03:16 AM Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 at 03:16 AM Has your HOA adopted RONR as your parliamentary authority in its bylaws or in other governing documents? If so, what is the specific language used ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted July 20, 2023 at 03:19 AM Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 at 03:19 AM On 7/19/2023 at 10:54 PM, Virgil said: All, I need help with this one; I have 2 years left on a 3 year term as an HOA Board Director. Again, I find myself in the minority because we have a fractured board of 5-4. The newly elected President insists on using Robert's Rules for Dummies. Last year, the board approved using RONR NR 12th. The Executive Secretary even had a copy of it and referred to it frequently. I vehemently disagree using Robert's Rules for Dummies instead of RONR. It seems like we are going backwards without using the "Official" resource/book. Question: How do I convince the Board to accept using the official book? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, Sincerely, Virgil Tell the board members to read the introduction to Robert's Rules for Dummies: "When you need to make a point in a meeting, be prepared to cite the real Robert’s Rules. That is, Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised (12th edition) Whatever you do, please don’t go waving my book around to your presiding officer unless your bylaws say that your parliamentary authority is Jennings’s Robert’s Rules For Dummies (which they should not!). Of course, I’m delighted that you’ve bought this book, but it’s not a parliamentary authority. It’s a book about one." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puzzling Posted July 20, 2023 at 09:07 AM Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 at 09:07 AM On 7/20/2023 at 4:19 AM, Shmuel Gerber said: Tell the board members to read the introduction to Robert's Rules for Dummies: "When you need to make a point in a meeting, be prepared to cite the real Robert’s Rules. That is, Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised (12th edition) Whatever you do, please don’t go waving my book around to your presiding officer unless your bylaws say that your parliamentary authority is Jennings’s Robert’s Rules For Dummies (which they should not!). Of course, I’m delighted that you’ve bought this book, but it’s not a parliamentary authority. It’s a book about one." Was just going to look for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted July 20, 2023 at 03:19 PM Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 at 03:19 PM I have my doubts that the HOA board has the authority to adopt a parliamentary authority of any kind. What is the source of that authority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted July 20, 2023 at 05:31 PM Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 at 05:31 PM On 7/19/2023 at 11:19 PM, Shmuel Gerber said: Tell the board members to read the introduction to Robert's Rules for Dummies: "When you need to make a point in a meeting, be prepared to cite the real Robert’s Rules. That is, Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised (12th edition) Whatever you do, please don’t go waving my book around to your presiding officer unless your bylaws say that your parliamentary authority is Jennings’s Robert’s Rules For Dummies (which they should not!). Of course, I’m delighted that you’ve bought this book, but it’s not a parliamentary authority. It’s a book about one." And if there is no mic available to drop, bring one of your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 3, 2023 at 02:29 PM Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 at 02:29 PM All, I apologize for a less than timely acknowledgement of your thoughtful replies. Yes, our HOA adopted RONA Newly Revised back in 2002. Also, I think being able to cite the paragraph out of "...for Dummies" is brilliant. You pulled through once again with great advice. Best to you all! Virgil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted August 3, 2023 at 07:03 PM Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 at 07:03 PM On 8/3/2023 at 10:29 AM, Virgil said: All, I apologize for a less than timely acknowledgement of your thoughtful replies. Yes, our HOA adopted RONA Newly Revised back in 2002. Also, I think being able to cite the paragraph out of "...for Dummies" is brilliant. You pulled through once again with great advice. Best to you all! Virgil Thanks. I wish we could have witnessed the mic drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted August 3, 2023 at 09:53 PM Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 at 09:53 PM On 8/3/2023 at 10:29 AM, Virgil said: All, I apologize for a less than timely acknowledgement of your thoughtful replies. Yes, our HOA adopted RONA Newly Revised back in 2002. Also, I think being able to cite the paragraph out of "...for Dummies" is brilliant. You pulled through once again with great advice. Best to you all! Virgil Please note that Mr. Gerber is mentioned in the acknowledgements of the current edition of Robert's Rules for Dummies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts