Gregory Carlson Posted August 9, 2023 at 07:10 PM Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 at 07:10 PM RONR 61:9-17 discusses the process for naming a member and imposing a penalty for an infraction during a meeting. I notice that the examples of disorder that are listed focus exclusively on inappropriate words used by a member in debate. I would assume that the rules would also apply to illegal actions taking by a member? For example, imagine a society which uses voting cards and unwisely uses the same voting cards from meeting to meeting. The society allows proxies, so some members may have multiple cards. It is discovered that a member is holding up more voting cards than the member is allowed to carry (perhaps the member kept some from the past meeting). Surely this infraction could warrant being named and potentially expelled under the rules in 61:9-17? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted August 9, 2023 at 07:29 PM Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 at 07:29 PM Actions can, indeed, instigate disciplinary procedures. The actions need not even be criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted August 9, 2023 at 11:22 PM Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 at 11:22 PM On 8/9/2023 at 3:10 PM, Gregory Carlson said: RONR 61:9-17 discusses the process for naming a member and imposing a penalty for an infraction during a meeting. I notice that the examples of disorder that are listed focus exclusively on inappropriate words used by a member in debate. I would assume that the rules would also apply to illegal actions taking by a member? For example, imagine a society which uses voting cards and unwisely uses the same voting cards from meeting to meeting. The society allows proxies, so some members may have multiple cards. It is discovered that a member is holding up more voting cards than the member is allowed to carry (perhaps the member kept some from the past meeting). Surely this infraction could warrant being named and potentially expelled under the rules in 61:9-17? Yes it certainly could. And don't call me Shirley. 😊 (I would suggest however, that the word unwisely should be moved from before the word uses, and placed before the word allows.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted August 10, 2023 at 12:01 AM Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 at 12:01 AM On 8/9/2023 at 3:10 PM, Gregory Carlson said: RONR 61:9-17 discusses the process for naming a member and imposing a penalty for an infraction during a meeting. I notice that the examples of disorder that are listed focus exclusively on inappropriate words used by a member in debate. I would assume that the rules would also apply to illegal actions taking by a member? For example, imagine a society which uses voting cards and unwisely uses the same voting cards from meeting to meeting. The society allows proxies, so some members may have multiple cards. It is discovered that a member is holding up more voting cards than the member is allowed to carry (perhaps the member kept some from the past meeting). Surely this infraction could warrant being named and potentially expelled under the rules in 61:9-17? Stuffing a ballot box during a meeting would be a ground for disciplinary action using 61:11-61:12. So would something like disrobing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted August 10, 2023 at 01:26 AM Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 at 01:26 AM Were I in the chair and a member shot me "the finger" in response to an adverse ruling, I would have no hesitation to "name" him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted August 10, 2023 at 05:24 PM Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 at 05:24 PM (edited) On 8/9/2023 at 2:10 PM, Gregory Carlson said: RONR 61:9-17 discusses the process for naming a member and imposing a penalty for an infraction during a meeting. I notice that the examples of disorder that are listed focus exclusively on inappropriate words used by a member in debate. I would assume that the rules would also apply to illegal actions taking by a member? For example, imagine a society which uses voting cards and unwisely uses the same voting cards from meeting to meeting. The society allows proxies, so some members may have multiple cards. It is discovered that a member is holding up more voting cards than the member is allowed to carry (perhaps the member kept some from the past meeting). Surely this infraction could warrant being named and potentially expelled under the rules in 61:9-17? Yes, the procedures on 61:9-17 could also be applicable to actions taken by a member during the meeting and are not limited to words used by a member in debate. Edited August 10, 2023 at 05:24 PM by Josh Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted August 10, 2023 at 06:03 PM Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 at 06:03 PM On 8/9/2023 at 9:26 PM, Rob Elsman said: Were I in the chair and a member shot me "the finger" in response to an adverse ruling, I would have no hesitation to "name" him. Quote 24:2 Members have no right to criticize a ruling of the chair unless they appeal from his decision. That would seem to rule out bird flipping, but it could also be argued that it leaves a loophole, making it permissible if accompanied by an appeal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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