Guest star Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:20 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:20 PM I am a HOA board member with a small 5 member board.We have been trying to decide on a cover for our backflow, Two choice. The first vote 3-2 for option 1. One board member is mad his option 2 isn't voted for, so he continues to send email to sway the other members from the 3-2 vote. I am asking can the first vote be changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:24 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:24 PM I am a HOA board member with a small 5 member board.We have been trying to decide on a cover for our backflow, Two choice. The first vote 3-2 for option 1. One board member is mad his option 2 isn't voted for, so he continues to send email to sway the other members from the 3-2 vote. I am asking can the first vote be changed?Until the deed is done, the motion can probably be rescinded or otherwise amended.(I suspect this won't be the first board that tried to cover its backflow.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:24 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:24 PM But you can't change your vote, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest star Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:26 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:26 PM Until the deed is done, the motion can probably be rescinded or otherwise amended.(I suspect this won't be the first board that tried to cover its backflow.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest star Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM so the vote is final when a member has submitted it in writing. Or does the vote be finialized with proper wording? I am sorry this sounds so simple but i just jioned the board and this member trys to bull member into his view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest star Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:35 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:35 PM so the vote is final when a member has submitted it in writing. Or does the vote be finialized with proper wording? I am sorry this sounds so simple but i just jioned the board and this member trys to bull member into his view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM I am a HOA board member with a small 5 member board.We have been trying to decide on a cover for our backflow, Two choice. The first vote 3-2 for option 1. One board member is mad his option 2 isn't voted for, so he continues to send email to sway the other members from the 3-2 vote. I am asking can the first vote be changed?so the vote is final when a member has submitted it in writing. Or does the vote be finialized with proper wording? I am sorry this sounds so simple but i just jioned the board and this member trys to bull member into his viewIf the vote for option 1 went 3-2, it seems only likely the vote for option 2 would go 2-3, so there really isn't any point, you know?The vote is "final" when the Chair announces the result of the vote, step #6 in how a motion is handled. Athough in some (many?) cases it can be reversed by several different possible actions (rescind, reconsider, amend something previously adopted, etc). So unless the action proposed by the motion is completed, it can be "undone" or "taken back", but that requires another motion with voting.I'm not sure what you mean by "a member has submitted it in writing", though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:57 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 12:57 PM so the vote is final when a member has submitted it in writing. Or does the vote be finialized with proper wording?The motion was adopted when, on the basis of a 3-2 vote, the chair declared it adopted. But very little is carved in stone and a motion to rescind (or amend) the adopted motion might be in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest star Posted July 3, 2010 at 01:05 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 01:05 PM thank you for everybody helpSubmitted in writting by email. I found that metal notes fade with time so I have everybody submit thier vote by email. we are in the summer months in colorado, and it is hard to get everybody together, We do most of our discussion and voting on email.so the vote was tailied twice2006-21 CHANGING VOTES Q. On page 395, lines 9-12, RONR, 10th ed., says: "A member has a right to change his vote up to the time the result is announced; after that, he can make the change only by the unanimous consent of the assembly granted without debate (see p. 46).nice index on the help pageso less I agree to allow members to change his vote ..it a done dealagain thank you all...so less I agree to let any member change his vote..it a done deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 3, 2010 at 01:26 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 01:26 PM thank you for everybody helpSubmitted in writting by email. I found that metal notes fade with time so I have everybody submit thier vote by email. we are in the summer months in colorado, and it is hard to get everybody together, We do most of our discussion and voting on email.so the vote was tailied twice2006-21 CHANGING VOTES Q. On page 395, lines 9-12, RONR, 10th ed., says: "A member has a right to change his vote up to the time the result is announced; after that, he can make the change only by the unanimous consent of the assembly granted without debate (see p. 46).nice index on the help pageso less I agree to allow members to change his vote ..it a done dealagain thank you all...so less I agree to let any member change his vote..it a done dealSince you are operating (we hope) under your own bylaws or applicable law, you have come to the wrong place for advice. You are certainly not operating in accordance with Robert's Rules of Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the omond Posted July 3, 2010 at 01:59 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 01:59 PM enlighten me,,again I been on the board less than 2months..what are we doing wrong? please if you can give a simple answer or we just fubar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 3, 2010 at 02:18 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 02:18 PM enlighten me,,again I been on the board less than 2months..what are we doing wrong? please if you can give a simple answer or we just fubarVoting by email violates fundamental principles of parliamentary law, and may only be done if authorized by your bylaws or applicable law. If it is so authorized, you should have special rules of order to cover the problems which consequently will arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest star Posted July 3, 2010 at 02:25 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 02:25 PM thanks again I will check our bylaws,I think the last board revise the bylaws to include that. so what is special rule on the vote and changing it?and I am very impressed with your knowledge base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted July 3, 2010 at 05:36 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 05:36 PM I will check our bylaws,I think the last board revise the bylaws to include that. so what is special rule on the vote and changing it?While I question whether the board has the authority to amend the Bylaws, if your organization has adopted e-mail voting it needs to adopt its own special rules of order to handle that. (RONR, 10th ed., pg. 2, footnote) Contrary to popular belief, it's not as simple as just slapping the words "e-mail voting" into your Bylaws. You may want to read some articles on the subject for assistance in developing supporting rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nancy N. Posted July 3, 2010 at 06:53 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 06:53 PM thanks again I will check our bylaws,I think the last board revise the bylaws to include that. so what is special rule on the vote and changing it?and I am very impressed with your knowledge base And star, get ahead of the game (and probably ahead of most of the others, and, most likely, better informed than the member who tries to shove his opinion onto the rest of you) by getting a copy of RONR-In Brief, and read it at once. Take an hour or two (the first time!). Put off lunch (it is so short, you won't have to skip it altogether). Then read it again the day before the next meeting. An eye-opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest star Posted July 3, 2010 at 08:37 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 at 08:37 PM again I am a little behind,,,I try ,I went to the book and have started reading,The download on E-voting is also enlightening..anubody doing e-voting should read it..thanks again RONR community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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