voting and discussion

[Guest Lori]

need to know what the order is here:

topic from agenda on table

motion made

second

do we discuss or do we vote

if vote does not carry do we table or is it open to discussion?

[STA]

Under Robert, a motion is made, seconded, re-stated by the Chair, and open for discussion. When everyone has spoken who wishes to, the question is put to vote. When that item is disposed of, either adopted or rejected, the Chair moves on to the next item.

Your rules may vary.

[Kim Goldsworthy]

... if vote does not carry do we table or is it open to discussion?

For a plain-vanilla main motion:

1. Member makes motion

2. A second is obtained.

3. Chair states motion.

4. Debate.

5. Debate is closed.

6. Vote

Rinse and repeat.

Forget this "tabling" jazz.

See "Lay On The Table" in RONR for its proper use.

[George Mervosh]

For a plain-vanilla main motion:

1. Member makes motion

2. A second is obtained.

3. Chair states motion.

4. Debate.

5. Debate is closed.

6. Vote

Rinse and repeat.

Forget this "tabling" jazz.

See "Lay On The Table" in RONR for its proper use.

Kim, should they repeat it even though your #6 should be #5, and the real #6 should be the announcement of the result of the vote?

[Kim Goldsworthy]

Kim, should they repeat it even though your #6 should be #5, and the real #6 should be the announcement of the result of the vote?

Why should they not repeat it?

If you leave out "close debate" you are doing a disservice to the original poster.

The original poster deserves to see the big picture.

There is a problem out there. People don't know how to get from (a.) debating; to (b.) voting.

The original poster needed the extra push.

The RONR steps' labeling is "1,2,3" (page 31) and "1,2,3" (page 40).

RONR has no #4, #5, #6, if you were to cite The Book.

Note that page 42 makes no mention of "how to close debate" except for "how not to close debate" (line 19, page 42).

I think the original poster ought to know that little fact, the ignorance of which generates questions on this Q&A Forum.

Page 42 certainly has no help on this step.

[Dan Honemann]

Why should they not repeat it?

If you leave out "close debate" you are doing a disservice to the original poster.

The original poster deserves to see the big picture.

There is a problem out there. People don't know how to get from (a.) debating; to (b.) voting.

The original poster needed the extra push.

The RONR steps' labeling is "1,2,3" (page 31) and "1,2,3" (page 40).

RONR has no #4, #5, #6, if you were to cite The Book.

Note that page 42 makes no mention of "how to close debate" except for "how not to close debate" (line 19, page 42).

I think the original poster ought to know that little fact, the ignorance of which generates questions on this Q&A Forum.

Page 42 certainly has no help on this step.

Almost none of this is right.

[Guest Becky Geisler]

Under Robert, a motion is made, seconded, re-stated by the Chair, and open for discussion. When everyone has spoken who wishes to, the question is put to vote. When that item is disposed of, either adopted or rejected, the Chair moves on to the next item.

Your rules may vary.

[Guest Becky Geisler]

I have a question. When there is a motion and a second, should the board president call for discussion or is it okay to just go immediately to a vote without calling for debate or discusiion.

[Josh Martin]

I have a question. When there is a motion and a second, should the board president call for discussion or is it okay to just go immediately to a vote without calling for debate or discusiion.

Provided the motion is debatable, the chairman should always allow for debate first. (RONR, 10th ed., pg. 42, lines 19-22)

[Trina]

need to know what the order is here:

topic from agenda on table

motion made

second

do we discuss or do we vote

if vote does not carry do we table or is it open to discussion?

I keep thinking there's another question lurking in here -- what do you think 'table' means? Is the organization resuming consideration of an issue that was previously discussed, and then 'tabled' (in the common use of that term, which is not parliamentarily correct, but people say it all the time anyway)? Perhaps if you give an example, or a few more details, your question could be addressed more specifically.

With regard to your second question, if a vote on a motion fails, that's generally the end of it. However, the same motion can be renewed (made again) at a future session, as if it had never been made before -- it would then be open to debate (discussion) again, and would be voted on again.

[Gary c Tesser]

I think it more likely that Original Poster Guest Lori is not referring to the secretary's table in the parliamentary sense -- the table on which a motion is laid to set it aside so as to deal with a more urgent matter, but that Lori refers to the table we're all sitting at to get our business done, and everything we're going to deal with is placed right there on the table in front of everybody.

Another word with regrettable opposite meanings. Like "cleave" and "sanction." And close, dare I say it, thanks to a peculiarity of General Robert's, is "dispense with."