Guest jimb Posted August 19, 2010 at 02:03 AM Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 at 02:03 AM At a regular meeting of our accocation a motion was put on to the floor not to hold a fund raising event. The motion was 2nd voted on and passed. The following month a motion to hold the event was introduced an this time passed. My question is does the person whom tabled the motion at the previous meeting have to withdraw his motion before a new vote is taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert B Fish Posted August 19, 2010 at 02:07 AM Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 at 02:07 AM At a regular meeting of our accocation a motion was put on to the floor not to hold a fund raising event. The motion was 2nd voted on and passed. The following month a motion to hold the event was introduced an this time passed. My question is does the person whom tabled the motion at the previous meeting have to withdraw his motion before a new vote is takenThe motion "that we not hold a fund raising event" should not be allowed since the same result occurs if you do nothing. Nonetheless, that's what you passed.If the second motion passed by a sufficient margin to rescind the first one (2/3 vote without notice, majority vote with notice, or majority of the entire membership), then it now stands. Otherwise, the second motion was out of order.-Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted August 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM If the second motion passed by a sufficient margin to rescind the first one (2/3 vote without notice, majority vote with notice, or majority of the entire membership), then it now stands. Otherwise, the second motion was out of order.Interesting. So if the motion only received a majority vote it was out of order but if it received a two-thirds vote it was in order? Is this the only instance where the outcome of the vote determines whether or not a motion is in order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted August 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM ....If the second motion passed by a sufficient margin to rescind the first one (2/3 vote without notice, majority vote with notice, or majority of the entire membership), then it now stands. Otherwise, the second motion was out of order.-BobInteresting. So if the motion only received a majority vote it was out of order but if it received a two-thirds vote it was in order? Is this the only instance where the outcome of the vote determines whether or not a motion is in order?Apparently the assembly needs time travel to make the determination .I'm guessing that Mr. Fish was making the point that the second motion might be a continuing breach, if it did not get the vote that would have been necessary to rescind the first motion.For jimb's purposes, the motion to rescind or to amend something previously adopted (RONR pp. 293-299) requires a higher vote margin than a regular motion -- 2/3 vote without notice OR majority vote with notice OR majority vote of the entire membership. If the second vote satisfied one of those thresholds, it's valid. If the second vote did not reach one of those thresholds, a point of order could be raised at any future meeting that the second motion is null and void (because it is in conflict with the first motion, which is still in force). The reference to tabling (in the original post) is confusing, but, in any case, the maker of the first motion has nothing to do with the process. That motion is no longer 'his' motion, and hasn't been for a long time -- the motion belongs to the assembly once debate starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert B Fish Posted August 19, 2010 at 12:25 PM Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 at 12:25 PM See page 244, item b.-Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kelly S Posted August 19, 2010 at 04:03 PM Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 at 04:03 PM At a regular meeting of our accocation a motion was put on to the floor not to hold a fund raising event. The motion was 2nd voted on and passed. The following month a motion to hold the event was introduced an this time passed. My question is does the person whom tabled the motion at the previous meeting have to withdraw his motion before a new vote is taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 19, 2010 at 04:06 PM Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 at 04:06 PM Does the notice talked about in this posting have to be done in writing and posted or is a verbal statement made outside of a meeting acceptable. One other question is whether the 2/3 or majority votes is of the entire membership or only the members present at the meeting where the second motion has been made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted August 19, 2010 at 04:17 PM Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 at 04:17 PM Does the notice talked about in this posting have to be done in writing and posted or is a verbal statement made outside of a meeting acceptable.No, verbal notice outside a meeting is not adequate (according to RONR; your bylaws might allow it, although that seems unlikely).One other question is whether the 2/3 or majority votes is of the entire membership or only the members present at the meeting where the second motion has been made?Neither.>> the motion to rescind or to amend something previously adopted (RONR pp. 293-299) requires a higher vote margin than a regular motion -- 2/3 vote without notice OR majority vote with notice OR majority vote of the entire membership. <<When 'two-thirds' or 'majority' is used without qualifier (as it is in the first two cases), it defines a proportion of the members present and voting. Members who are present but don't vote are not counted in determining the outcome of the vote (although they do count toward quorum). In the third case, 'majority vote of the entire membership' means more than half of all members (everyone on the membership rolls) must vote in favor.Also, take a look at FAQ#6 (on this site):http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#6edited to add FAQ link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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