Guest Beth Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:40 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:40 AM A vote was taken at a general membership meeting. After the vote was declared we found an inaccuracy in voting procedure. A member voted by proxy and that is specifically listing in our bylaws as not to be allowed. In order to remedy this voting error- the executive board voted to have a revote.. is this proper protocol and does the board have to accept the outcome of the new vote??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:42 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:42 AM A vote was taken at a general membership meeting. After the vote was declared we found an inaccuracy in voting procedure. A member voted by proxy and that is specifically listing in our bylaws as not to be allowed. In order to remedy this voting error- the executive board voted to have a revote.. is this proper protocol and does the board have to accept the outcome of the new vote???The executive board has no power to rule on the parliamentary procedures of the general membership assembly. This is the tail trying to wag the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beth Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:50 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:50 AM The executive board has no power to rule on the parliamentary procedures of the general membership assembly. This is the tail trying to wag the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beth Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:52 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:52 AM Ok.. so I guess we just made an error.. what should we have done when we determined a vote was cast by proxy when the bylaws specifically dont allow proxy vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:57 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 01:57 AM Ok.. so I guess we just made an error.. what should we have done when we determined a vote was cast by proxy when the bylaws specifically dont allow proxy vote?If by "we" you mean the board, the board should butt out and stick to its own knitting. What may or may not happen in some future meeting of the general membership assembly is of no concern to the board. If the motion was adopted, the board's duty is to execute it with all deliberate speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Beth Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:04 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:04 AM Thanks for clarifying.. In this case we and the general membership are one and the same.. We are the negotiators for the general memberships contract. We held a contract vote. It was after the fact we found we had an invalid vote.. (by proxy).. we did not know if, due to this voting error- it nullified the vote.. thanks for your advice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:09 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:09 AM Thanks for clarifying.. In this case we and the general membership are one and the same.. We are the negotiators for the general memberships contract. We held a contract vote. It was after the fact we found we had an invalid vote.. (by proxy).. we did not know if, due to this voting error- it nullified the vote.. thanks for your advice..Whatever Point of Order there might be to be made would have to be raised in the body where the breach of the rules occurred. If I understand the facts right, that's the general membership assembly, in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beth Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:14 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:14 AM That makes sense to me.. So to clarify, the general membership would have to make a motion for a revote.. and a full membership vote taken on that? ANd, if that is the best way to 'right' this 'wrong'.. and we then vote on the contract again... does the Board of Education have to accept this new vote? THey say they do not.. sorry for all the questions.. but as you can see.. we're in a bit of a mess here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:21 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:21 AM That makes sense to me.. So to clarify, the general membership would have to make a motion for a revote.. and a full membership vote taken on that? ANd, if that is the best way to 'right' this 'wrong'.. and we then vote on the contract again... does the Board of Education have to accept this new vote? THey say they do not.. sorry for all the questions.. but as you can see.. we're in a bit of a mess here..My suspicion is that the vote was valid. Is it not true to say that the illegal vote by proxy was not sufficient to have affected the result? If true, the vote stands as announced, notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:22 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:22 AM That makes sense to me.. So to clarify, the general membership would have to make a motion for a revote.. and a full membership vote taken on that? If the one illegal vote could not have affected the outcome, you ignore it and move on. Otherwise, make a point of order. The chair will rule on it. His ruling can be appealed. The assembly will decide who's "right". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beth Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:24 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:24 AM Good point. And, you are correct, the one vote did not impact the final tabulation of votes. However, there were other general membership members that had heard of this voting inaccuracy and they are now upset that they too, were not afforded the opportunity to vote in this manner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:27 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:27 AM Good point. And, you are correct, the one vote did not impact the final tabulation of votes. However, there were other general membership members that had heard of this voting inaccuracy and they are now upset that they too, were not afforded the opportunity to vote in this manner...Okay. It sounds like the breach is over and the vote stands as announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:28 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:28 AM However, there were other general membership members that had heard of this voting inaccuracy and they are now upset that they too, were not afforded the opportunity to vote in this manner...You mean they wanted to cast illegal proxy votes too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:30 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 02:30 AM You mean they wanted to cast illegal proxy votes too?Sure! And, if they get to, so do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beth Posted September 16, 2010 at 03:02 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 03:02 AM Sure! And, if they get to, so do I. Yes, basically... that seems to be the debate.. why one could do so when others could not..so, with that notwithstanding, it appears the vote should stand. thanks for all your aid in this discussion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted September 16, 2010 at 03:05 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 at 03:05 AM Yes, basically... that seems to be the debate.. why one could do so when others could not..so, with that notwithstanding, it appears the vote should stand. thanks for all your aid in this discussion..You're most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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