Voting

[Guest Daniel Thomas]

Is it wrong for someone who is nominated for a office to 'campaign' for votes?

Thanx

[George Mervosh]

It's not improper under any rule in RONR, unless you're referring to him disturbing the meeting while it's in progress.

[hmtcastle]

Is it wrong for someone who is nominated for a office to 'campaign' for votes?

Candidates campaign for office all the time. It's what candidates do.

[Guest Daniel Thomas]

Candidates campaign for office all the time. It's what candidates do.

Person "A" campaigned for the nominated person and person "C" is accusing person "A" of lying (Wish I had the soap opera rights), and therefore, he's trying to make the vote invalid. Person "C" even made the effort to find out which way people voted, and our ballots are supposed to be secret.

[George Mervosh]

Nice drama, but it's time to move on.

[Josh Martin]

Person "A" campaigned for the nominated person and person "C" is accusing person "A" of lying (Wish I had the soap opera rights), and therefore, he's trying to make the vote invalid. Person "C" even made the effort to find out which way people voted, and our ballots are supposed to be secret.

None of this would invalidate the election. Additionally, if these accusations of lying are occurring during a meeting, Person C should be called to order. It is a breach of decorum to accuse another member of lying.

[Tim Wynn]

person "C" is accusing person "A" of lying

Please see RONR(10th ed.), p. 380; p. 240; and p. 626-627 to ensure this is taken care of promptly if it happens in a meeting (as speculated by Mr. Martin).

[Guest Daniel Thomas]

Please see RONR(10th ed.), p. 380; p. 240; and p. 626-627 to ensure this is taken care of promptly if it happens in a meeting (as speculated by Mr. Martin).

Thanks for the advice. What I think he will try to do is have the vote declared illegal in some way,shape,or form. Is there any grounds for this?

[Guest Daniel Thomas]

None of this would invalidate the election. Additionally, if these accusations of lying are occurring during a meeting, Person C should be called to order. It is a breach of decorum to accuse another member of lying.

Thank you for your reply. However, the next meeting might be a rocky one. I have no doubt that this guy will try to invalidate it somehow.

[Tim Wynn]

Thanks for the advice. What I think he will try to do is have the vote declared illegal in some way,shape,or form. Is there any grounds for this?

I don't see any grounds for it from what you've posted.

[Guest Daniel Thomas]

I don't see any grounds for it from what you've posted.

Thanks for all of your help. Have a blessed holiday season.

[Josh Martin]

What I think he will try to do is have the vote declared illegal in some way,shape,or form. Is there any grounds for this?

Not from the facts provided. If the member raises a Point of Order that the election is invalid because Person A lied in campaigning for the winner, the chair should rule the point not well taken and call Person C to order for breaching the rules of decorum. Whether Person C's claim is accurate is irrelevant for these purposes.

[Guest nancy Rice]

Does the chair of a committee, but not an elected member of the Board, have voting privileges?

[Josh Martin]

Does the chair of a committee, but not an elected member of the Board, have voting privileges?

Only members of the body that is meeting have the right to vote. How they became members of that body is irrelevant.

[Gary Novosielski]

Does the chair of a committee, but not an elected member of the Board, have voting privileges?

In committee meetings, yes. At board meetings, no.

[Josh Martin]

In committee meetings, yes. At board meetings, no.

...provided that the chair is a member of the committee (which is usually the case, but not always) and that the use of the term "elected" is incidental, and is not used to mean that the individual became a board member through some other method.

[Gary Novosielski]

...provided that the chair is a member of the committee (which is usually the case, but not always) and that the use of the term "elected" is incidental, and is not used to mean that the individual became a board member through some other method.

Elected, appointed, ex-officio, what-have-you, if a board member by any means he then would be able to vote in the board.

On the first point, although the committee chair or members may not be members of the assembly, I have searched in vain for a citation on selecting a committee chairman in such a way that the chairman of a committee would not be a member of the committee itself. Any assistance would be helpful.

[Josh Martin]

Elected, appointed, ex-officio, what-have-you, if a board member by any means he then would be able to vote in the board.

Exactly. You originally said that the committee chair would not be able to vote at board meetings. The original post says, however, that the committee chair is "not an elected member of the Board." It is not entirely clear whether this means that the chair is not a board member at all or if he is simply not an elected board member.

On the first point, although the committee chair or members may not be members of the assembly, I have searched in vain for a citation on selecting a committee chairman in such a way that the chairman of a committee would not be a member of the committee itself.

In the case where a committee elects its own chairman, the applicable rule does not appear to prohibit the election of a non-member as chair. (RONR, 10th ed., pg. 168, lines 24-26) Other than that it would take some weird customized rules. I grant that either of these are very unusual circumstances. The clarification on the board member issue is the more important point, and I threw this bit in as an afterthought.

[Gary Novosielski]

In the case where a committee elects its own chairman, the applicable rule does not appear to prohibit the election of a non-member as chair. (RONR, 10th ed., pg. 168, lines 24-26) Other than that it would take some weird customized rules. I grant that either of these are very unusual circumstances. The clarification on the board member issue is the more important point, and I threw this bit in as an afterthought.

I think it's a stretch to suggest that those lines would permit a non-member to be chairman.

In the instance cited, the committee elects its own chairman only when the appointing body, upon naming the members, fails to exercise its power to "designate any one of them as chairman."

Since the appointing body is limited to choosing from among the committee's members, it seems unlikely that RONR is here (and nowhere else in the Work) granting to a committee powers that exceed those of the appointing body itself.

[Josh Martin]

Since the appointing body is limited to choosing from among the committee's members, it seems unlikely that RONR is here (and nowhere else in the Work) granting to a committee powers that exceed those of the appointing body itself.

Point taken. I think you can safely ignore the first half of my "provided that" clause.

[Dan Honemann]

You will find a bit more on this subject on page 475.