BabbsJohnson

Good one...I will do that.

Has anyone ever heard of the idea of “substantial compliance” been applied to RONR?

Thank you, I must have missed it before.

Thank you Josh. Is there a place in RONR that talks in detail about all the ways Decorum can be breached ?

Thank you

Are the Rules of Decorum always in effect, during a meeting? Are there any situations where they are in effect outside a meeting as well, or would that be (possibly) covered under a separate document, like a Code of Conduct?

I think you may be right about that, the legal council part.

Thank you. I’m not sure how far it will get me. I have complaints about her and she has flatly plainly said that she does not care.

Yes, interrupting and making short comments about what I’m saying, as I say it, also attempting to finish my sentences for me at times, so she can seguay into taking over talking, usually starting off with “the problem I have with that, is...” and then tries to negate the point I was trying to make, usually with nothing but opinions.

among the board? It is at least one of five that says he has no care and doesn't want to learn or do anythig different. When I brought it up last time, the presdient said they thought we did "just fine" (to me meaning there are no improvements and new steps neeeded, but not sure). The other board members are in step with the president. The membership are homeowners and they probably don't know much at all about any of out, or why it is used. Typically only 1-5 people come to a board meeting, and two of them are the same every time. In the past, questionnairres have gone out for various subjects, and the responds was weak in numbers. Edited to add: The property manager downplays the need for it, and states (I believe falsely) that we don't have to use them at all, if we don't want to, or that we can cherry pick and use only some things (like motions and voting) but not others (like following the rules of decorum and discipline).

I’m aware of ways to keep nudging it into play, even amongst the resistant, but how does one deal with flagrant disregard for the rules? Not just ignoring rules, but the by-laws?

No, the small board rules are not the issue...the issue is the board currently thinks they don’t have to use RONR at all, if they just all agree not to, which seems to not be the case, considering how it’s worded in the by-laws.

None of the other members know about RONR, and one flat out said he doesn’t want to know and doesn’t care. Our property manager enables this by telling them that they can decide or not to use RONR, and also can cherry pick it as needed, even though our by-laws name RONR as that which shall govern all our corporate proceedings,, which cannot be amended without a vote from the entire membership.

Remaining impartial is one things, but to rebut directly to each thing I say, is that typical? It seems peple should be able to speak, andnot have everything they say countered, as they say it, or be told why what they are saying is not important, as they say it, especially if germaine.

Does this apply to a board that is using rules for a small board, which does allow the chair person to participate in debate and vote? I asked once before if the chair has to remain impartial even though they are participating in debate and voting, but I’m not sure I got an answer I understood. I’m not sure where the division comes between demonstrating impartiality and active participation.

In many meetings I have attended and spoken in debate in, the President seems to feel the need to rebut/respond to everything I say, and she does not do this to the other members. I feel it is an attemtp to negate or invalidate what I say, since usually she is criticizing what I am saying by countering it with her own opinions. Is this proper? Just to be clear: She is not correcting information that I am giving that is not true, or anything like that, she is responding directly to my comments right after I make each one, and basically telling me why I am wrong, in one way or another.

For certain

I can totally see where that’s possible. You’re going into areas of thinking and knowledge wholly unknown to me, and it makes me want to learn! Thank you for sharing, I’m loving hearing about these experiences. Since this is a public forum, if I wanted to share this info with others, do you think it would be ok if I shared some of these experiences with my colleagues? I’d like them to start (possibly) being curious about RONR.

😸 thank you sir

Wow...exciting stuff, glad it didn’t go to violence!

Ok, thank you. Do you have any experiences you might share about times when rules of decorum were broken, and how it affected the situation? If there was a solution, etc. Spoken in anonymous terms, of course.

But is it well-taken?

Thank you so much! RONRIB is something I am refrshing myself on, and I too feel it is a set of tools that help things move along productively, and also help keep things fair and consistent. I feel it is an essential part of a deliberative assembly.

Wow, thank you for the fantastic feedback. I really appreciate your experience and willingness to share. I hope to become well-versed enough in Parliamentary Procedure to be able to introduce it as a set of tools that help keep things fair. Do you have any feedback on the importance of members feeling "safe" in a meeting, meaning feeling confident that their rights to speak are protected, by the rules of decorum, and the limits of debate being upheld?

I was wondering if any parlimentarians and/or people here experiences with RONR could give any insight on the importance of following parliamentary procedure, what you have found it offers, etc. Like what you might say to a new board, just starting out about using RONR Not sure if that is off topic of not. Any thoughts, explanations, stories to illustrate its worth etc. are welcome.