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  1. That is correct. And, anticipating the question that usually comes up, the minutes of that, presumably very short, executive session, are approved during that same session.
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    No. A board approves its own minutes, and committees do not generally keep minutes, but if they did, they would approve their own minutes.
  3. Yes, I apparently saw something that wasn't there. But luckily managed to get it right anyway! That's how I got through grad school for the most part.
  4. Each assembly is separate, yes. Assuming, that is, each actually exists per your bylaws. Sometimes we get questions that reference these entities, but it turns out they do not exist, they're just, say, a bunch of officers calling themselves a board and presuming to hold meetings. If this was a meeting of the executive board, and he is not a member of that, then he was a guest. On a side note, unless your organization has rules on the matter, if this was a disciplinary process is needed to be conducted by the membership. If your executive board has 4 members, then yes. Good point. But this is the unusual case where, as I see it, it doesn't matter. If they were in executive session, nothing changes, since this individual was included. But he still has no right to the minutes since he is not a member.
  5. They could be amended. Do your bylaws define non voting board members? Well, you're not going to get an answer here on state law. As far as RONR, members have a right to view minutes of meetings of the assembly of which they are members. It seems to me that this was a meeting of an assembly of which this individual is not a member. Thus, it is up to that assembly (not you) to decide about providing those minutes. As far as executive session goes, this person was in the executive session, and so is within the cone of silence, so to speak. Note: the membership (not a member, but the membership) can direct the board to produce its minutes. No. Look again at this language: First of all, a demand to provide them within 24 hours does not meet this description. But more to the point, it's any member - member of the assembly that met, that is. See: The source you should consult on legality, in my opinion, is a lawyer with expertise in the relevant area.
  6. Has this already happened? When is it scheduled to happen? Politicking outside the meeting is allowed. And "out of order" can only apply to things that happen at a meeting. The chair might have trouble maintaining an appearance of impartiality when it comes up at a meeting, though.
  7. I think the missing link here is:
  8. Since your vote did not impact the outcome, you should not have voted. But you are not divided 50-50. There is a majority on one side. What makes a deliberative body function is the assumption that all will go along with the decision that is made according to the body's procedures. Here, that decision is whatever you decided about the major financial issue. All members should do their duty to carry out the decision, until such time as it can be rescinded.
  9. You could move to set the time to which to adjourn, which may or may not help. Try beer and pizza.
  10. It strikes me as odd to have minutes from a membership meeting, transferring power to the board, and approved by the board. I suppose it's the best evidence available, but it doesn't strike me as particularly strong.
  11. Ah, but that's my point. It is the minutes that comprise the official record of the assembly's proceedings, not the draft minutes or the secretary's notes, which is all they are until approved. Also, why does RONR use "which" here?
  12. But, as a reminder, your corporate statutes may differ.
  13. I agree. Remember that discipline is an option.
  14. I was once on a commission that refused to adopt rules of order because, well, we all get along. But when you stop getting along, it's too late to adopt rules of order without that turning into a war, too.
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