Guest J. J. Posted March 19, 2010 at 11:23 PM Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 at 11:23 PM I would say B would not be subject to PQ, because B is not "immediately pending (p. 190, l. 26)." J. J." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul McClintock Posted March 19, 2010 at 11:57 PM Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 at 11:57 PM JJ, per the p. 190 citation you gave, PQ "Can be applied to any immediately pending debatable or amendable motion; to an entire series of pending debatable or amendable motions; and to any consecutive part of such a series, beginning with the immedia" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J. J. Posted March 20, 2010 at 12:50 AM Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 at 12:50 AM Okay you've lost me on the sequence. could you graph it out a bit? J. J." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul McClintock Posted March 20, 2010 at 01:01 AM Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 at 01:01 AM > If a main motion is divided to parts A and B, and while A is pending and amendment Amd-A is pending the assemblies order the Previous Question on all pending motions. > graph it out 1. Main motion: to commend Paul and JJ 2. D" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JDStackpole Posted March 20, 2010 at 01:21 AM Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 at 01:21 AM Jumping in... I don't think the book covers this one explicitly. However by analogy... if PQ is ordered on a resolution, debate and amendment is still allowed on the "Whereas" clauses of the resolution. By analogy, the" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J. J. Posted March 20, 2010 at 02:57 AM Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 at 02:57 AM I don't think "To commend JJ" is the pending question. They seem to be two separate main motions after division (p. 261, l. 20-25; p. 266, l. 9-11). The motions subject to PQ would be, in order: 1. Move to amend: strike out Pa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trina Posted March 20, 2010 at 09:25 AM Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 at 09:25 AM > 1. Main motion: to commend Paul and JJ 2. Divide the question; adopted. < This example sounds like something that might be divided at the call of a single member. In that case, in particular, it would seem inappropriate for the assemb" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Elsman Posted March 20, 2010 at 06:01 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 at 06:01 PM "...to be considered and voted on as if they were distinct questions...", RONR (10th ed.), p. 261, ll. 23, 24, tends to make me think that the Previous Question, in this situation, applies only to Amd-A and A." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul McClintock Posted March 21, 2010 at 08:39 AM Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 at 08:39 AM Thanks, all, for your insights. It's nice to see some agreement on a gray area. In some sense, B is pending: it immediately comes up after A is disposed of, just like A immediately comes up after Amd-A is disposed of. Hence it seems somewhat re" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dan Honemann Posted March 21, 2010 at 10:23 AM Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 at 10:23 AM Paul, I hesitate to respond since I'm not at home (and thus can't do the kind of looking at stuff that I ought to do before responding), but I do agree with those who say that a motion to order the previous question on all pending questions would not appl" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kim Goldsworthy Posted March 21, 2010 at 04:44 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 at 04:44 PM Paul, If you need a parliamentary theory to justify the separation, then, the way *I* think about it, is this way. --- To Divide the Question has the effect of creating a "super" "special order" or "general order."" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Elsman Posted March 21, 2010 at 05:25 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 at 05:25 PM There's not a shred of evidence in RONR to think that any of this is true. I find it a little goofy, myself." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J. J. Posted March 21, 2010 at 06:04 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 at 06:04 PM However, the analogy works. J. J." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John M. Posted March 21, 2010 at 11:02 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 at 11:02 PM >>This example sounds like something that might be divided at the call of a single member.<< A motion to commend two different individuals does not seem to be the type of motion which could be divided at the call of a single member. T" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest George Mervosh Posted March 22, 2010 at 07:28 PM Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 at 07:28 PM I'm with the crew who agrees with you and the others on your first paragraph, Dan. Are you back home to look at paragraph #2 in your answer? It's hard to see how the answer is anything other than, yes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dan Honemann Posted March 22, 2010 at 07:51 PM Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 at 07:51 PM Hey, I just got back last night! :-) " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dan Honemann Posted March 22, 2010 at 07:55 PM Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 at 07:55 PM ...but on the face of it, it just plain must be the case that both parts of the divided motion to amend will be under the order for the previous question." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest George Mervosh Posted March 22, 2010 at 08:45 PM Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 at 08:45 PM We Greeks are an impatient lot. :-) Thanks, yes, some things just have to be..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ann Rempel Posted March 22, 2010 at 10:00 PM Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 at 10:00 PM I have always thought that the PQ on all pending motions would not apply to Motion B because B is not pending at that point. Only A and its amendment are under consideration or pending. At least that makes sense to me. :)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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