Guest Rob Elsman Posted April 9, 2010 at 03:50 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 03:50 PM No one "runs the meeting", whether or not the president and vice president are absent. The secretary may call the meeting to order and proceed immediately to the nomination and election of a president pro tem who will preside over the m" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted April 9, 2010 at 03:53 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 03:53 PM <<...president pro tem...>> Or perhaps Chairman pro tem?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Elsman Posted April 9, 2010 at 04:07 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 04:07 PM When the regular presiding officer has the title of president, the temporary one always takes the title of president pro tem." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Weldon Merritt Posted April 9, 2010 at 04:20 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 04:20 PM <<When the regular presiding officer has the title of president, the temporary one always takes the title of president pro tem.>> Not so. See RONR, p. 437. The title "president pro tem" does not appeaar in RONR (or at least " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Elsman Posted April 9, 2010 at 04:28 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 04:28 PM When the regular presiding officer has the title of president, the president pro tem is regularly addressed as "Mr. President" or "Madam President", not "Mr. Chairman" or "Madam Chairman"." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H.Wm.Mountcastle Posted April 9, 2010 at 04:59 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 04:59 PM Or, to split the difference, the chair pro tem is regularly addressed as "Mr. President". It may be semantic but I think avoiding the term "president pro tem" makes it less likely that the occupant of the chair will mistakenly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Elsman Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:01 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:01 PM Nope. :)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:37 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:37 PM Page 22, lines 14-17: A person presiding at a meeting who has no regular title or whose position is only temporary is addressed as "Mr. [or Madam] Chairman" by long established use." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris H Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:39 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:39 PM Or just address the pro tem as "the guy (or gal) with the gavel". :-)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Weldon Merritt Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:46 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:46 PM <<When the regular presiding officer has the title of president, the president pro tem is regularly addressed as "Mr. President" or "Madam President", not "Mr. Chairman" or "Madam Chairman".>> I" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Elsman Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:51 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:51 PM I think the given citation applys to the presiding officers of mass meetings or similar meetings of assemblies not permanently-organized. However, it is the long-standing practice in this country to address a president pro tem as "Mr. President"" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:54 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:54 PM "The Guy With the Gavel" sounds like an ABC replacement series stuck in between "So You Think You're an Absentee Voter" and "I Married a Parliamentarian."" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:58 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 05:58 PM <<I think the given citation applys to the presiding officers of mass meetings or similar meetings of assemblies not permanently-organized. >> Page 22, lines 1-3 (the section from which I previously quoted) begins: The presid" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Weldon Merritt Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:02 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:02 PM Nothing in either the citation I provided, nor in the one Mr. Foulkes provided, suggests that the rule is limited to mass meetings, which are covered elsewhere. I suspect General Robert had, and his successors still have, a pretty good understanding of " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H.Wm.Mountcastle Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:03 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:03 PM >>However, it is the long-standing practice in this country . . . << And by "this country" Mr. Elsman means Elsmania, where the trees never bend and "should" means "shall". And where all the wome" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Elsman Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:06 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:06 PM You cited from line 14, which applies to those assemblies for which some other title has not been provided for." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Elsman Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:08 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:08 PM The General would, quite likely, have been aware of the title President Pro Tem in state and national legislative bodies and the customary form of address, "Mr. President"." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:14 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:14 PM Hmmm... I read it as referring to the person (chair pro tem, that is) having no other title. I think if you re-read the first three of the last seven words of your previous citation (p. 437 l. 17, specifically) it might help? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Elsman Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:20 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:20 PM A temporary occupant of the chair is addressed with the same title as would be used for the regularly-presiding officer. If the regularly-presiding officer has the title of Chairman, the the chairman pro tem would be addressed as "Mr. Chairman";" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Weldon Merritt Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:27 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:27 PM <<The General would, quite likely, have been aware of the title President Pro Tem in state and national legislative bodies and the customary form of address, "Mr. President".>> Quite likely so. But “President Pro Tem" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Weldon Merritt Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:33 PM Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 at 06:33 PM <<A temporary occupant of the chair is addressed with the same title as would be used for the regularly-presiding officer.>> And where is that found in RONR (for anyone other than a Vice President, Vice Chair, or the like)? Just sayin" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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