Guest J. J. Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:46 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:46 PM Even if outside the scope of the object, a two thirds vote is needed to introduce the motion (p. 108). J. J." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marianne Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:50 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:50 PM thanks!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marianne Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:54 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:54 PM does that mean 2/3 of membership or 2/3 of quorum. Suppose there are 1000 members and bylaws specify that a quorum of members is 100. Is it 2/3 of 1000 or 2/3 of 100. Thanks so much." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H.Wm.Mountcastle Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:54 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:54 PM Does a gift of $380,000 to the American Cancer Society support education in public schools in NYC? That's the question your members will have to answer. If a majority of them answer, "yes", you're good to go. It sounds like a s" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H.Wm.Mountcastle Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:59 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 at 11:59 PM >>Even if outside the scope of the object, a two thirds vote is needed to introduce the motion (p. 108).<< I think Mr. J. could have omitted the word "even", but I'm curious about RONR's use of the word "introduce"" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marianne Posted May 17, 2010 at 12:08 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 12:08 AM does that mean 2/3 of membership or 2/3 of quorum. Suppose there are 1000 members and bylaws specify that a quorum of members is 100. Is it 2/3 of 1000 or 2/3 of 100. Thanks so much. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H.Wm.Mountcastle Posted May 17, 2010 at 12:24 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 12:24 AM >>does that mean 2/3 of membership or 2/3 of quorum.<< Neither. A two-thirds vote is the vote of at least two-thirds of the members present and voting. With a quorum present, a vote of 1-0, with all other members abs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J. J. Posted May 17, 2010 at 01:03 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 01:03 AM I would say "introduce." If 2/3 wants to entertain the motion, discuss it, a majority still might decide to vote against it. J. J." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H.Wm.Mountcastle Posted May 17, 2010 at 01:08 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 01:08 AM >>a majority still might decide to vote against it.<< Or a majority still might decide to vote for it? Is this the only instance in RONR where a (two-thirds) vote is required to INTRODUCE a motion? And what's the dif" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J. J. Posted May 17, 2010 at 01:20 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 01:20 AM I think it is a form of suspending the rules, so there would be other examples. J. J." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H.Wm.Mountcastle Posted May 17, 2010 at 01:24 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 01:24 AM So the second article in the bylaws, that defines the object of the society, is a rule that's clearly in the nature of a rule of order and, therefore, can be suspended?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John M. Posted May 17, 2010 at 02:09 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 02:09 AM >>So the second article in the bylaws, that defines the object of the society, is a rule that's clearly in the nature of a rule of order and, therefore, can be suspended?<< I wouldn't say that. I think it's a special case exception, w" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H.Wm.Mountcastle Posted May 17, 2010 at 02:13 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 02:13 AM So you can vote to consider a motion that's out of order? Or are you making a distinction between "outside the scope" and "contradictory"?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John M. Posted May 17, 2010 at 02:32 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 02:32 AM >>So you can vote to consider a motion that's out of order?<< No, but you can vote to consider a motion that's outside the scope of the object of the society by a 2/3 vote. (RONR, 10th ed., pg. 108, lines 5-8; pg. 333, lines 1-4; pg. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J. J. Posted May 17, 2010 at 05:45 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 05:45 AM It is similar, and would effectively be "suspendable" because RONR says it is. The function of the clause, procedurally, is to prevent motions outside of a specific class from being made. In that regard it is a rule in the nature of a " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trina Posted May 17, 2010 at 11:06 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 11:06 AM > Even if outside the scope of the object, a two thirds vote is needed to introduce the motion (p. 108). < I'm curious, what are the details of how this introduction is handled? The p. 108 citation, and the further page numbers provided by " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dan Honemann Posted May 17, 2010 at 12:44 PM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 12:44 PM Marianne's PTA would be well advised to consult with an attorney regarding the question as to whether or not its funds can be expended in this fashion, since this question is almost certain to be covered by some provision of applicable law. Applicable law" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trina Posted May 17, 2010 at 09:32 PM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 09:32 PM > Once consideration of such a motion has begun, it is too late to raise the point of order, just as it would be too late to object to the consideration of a motion which is within the scope of the organization's object. < Interesting - the" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John M. Posted May 17, 2010 at 09:40 PM Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 at 09:40 PM >>If someone DOES want to formally ask the assembly to authorize introduction of a motion which proposes action outside the scope of the organization's object (as mentioned on p. 108), what are the characteristics of that request?<< I" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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