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  1. Tech support says that email has been restored, and it seems to be working for me now.
  2. Thank's for explaining it, because I sure didn't get this inside pocket joke.
  3. I haven't gotten any e-mail notifications from the forum since Friday morning. Has anyone else here had the problem of not receiving the expected e-mail notifications about forums or topics that they are subscribed to?
  4. Actually, I shouldn't say that. It has been updated in various minor ways.
  5. It's been updated in various minor ways, but nothing that would affect rules already developed by anyone based on the CD-ROM version.
  6. RONR does not specifically address this question. It says that members have the right to examine reports received from boards or committees that are placed on file, as well as the record books of the secretary containing the bylaws, special rules of order, standing rules, and minutes.
  7. I think it is abundantly clear from the quoted passages that the chair does not have any special power to make a decision as to what constitutes an emergency, but only to make that decision when the assembly itself has no time to do so because of the emergency. If the members have gathered fully aware of the nature of the emergency, the chair, under the rules in RONR, can't simply decide to adjourn the meeting because he thinks he knows better than the assembly. As has been noted in other threads, there may be times when people find it necessary to break the rules, or to exercise powers that nobody gave them. We can't stop them, and maybe sometimes we should encourage them, but what we should not do is pretend that RONR says something it doesn't say.
  8. But there is no such power given to the chair in RONR. What the book actually says is: “In the event of fire, riot, or other extreme emergency, if the chair believes taking time for a vote on adjourning would be dangerous to those present, he should declare the meeting adjourned—to a suitable time and place for an adjourned meeting (if he is able), or to meet at the call of the chair.” (p. 86, emphasis added) “It is the duty of the presiding officer of an assembly: … To declare the meeting adjourned … at any time in the event of a sudden emergency affecting the safety of those present.” (pp.449-450, emphasis added)
  9. You're welcome. But I thought your idea was that it should be a joint effort, so why don't you join? 🙂 You could add a Q&A with a link to other forum responses, or quoting them, or repeating your own answer. I've seen some good answers in other recent topics, and even some entire topics that are probably worth reading by anyone who has questions on the subject.
  10. Just to be clear about Question 6, "part 1" of the answer is all that I intend to contribute at this time.
  11. See here: Unofficial FAQ: Electronic meetings to replace in-person meetings
  12. Question 6: What other resources do the members of the forum recommend? Answer (part 1): For those who own the CD-ROM edition of RONR, bonus materials include a document titled "Sample Rules for Electronic Meetings", which includes background discussion and four sets of sample rules for various scenarios. Additional recommendations (again I emphasize that no one here takes responsibility for the correctness of outside sources): Here are some recent posts by Jim Slaughter, PRP, at his blog http://lawfirmcarolinas.com/blog/ "The Coronavirus, Flu, and HOA/Condo Association Meetings" “Let’s Have Our Meeting or Convention Online!” Other members of the forum may wish to post additional recommendations below.
  13. Answer to Question 5, continued again: To: NAP Association and Unit Leaders From: Timothy Wynn, PRP, NAP National Parliamentarian Date: March 14, 2020 The following guidelines apply for units and associations that wish to meet electronically in lieu of in-person meetings: OPTION #1. Bylaws authorize electronic meetings. If the organization’s bylaws currently authorize the holding of meetings via electronic means, the organization should consult the specific language of the bylaw provision to determine what is necessary to call and hold a meeting via electronic means. (If your bylaws authorize members to participate in an in-person meeting via electronic means, but do not authorize the meeting itself to be held entirely via electronic means, see OPTION #2.) OPTION #2. Bylaws authorize absent members to participate via electronic means, but do not authorize the meeting itself to be held entirely via electronic means. There is a difference between an electronic meeting and electronic participation in an in-person meeting. If the organization’s bylaws are worded so as to require in-person meetings, but also authorize members to participate in those meetings via electronic means, the organization should check the quorum and location requirements to determine whether the meeting can be held at one member’s house with only one member in attendance, while other members attend via electronic means. OPTION #3. Informal electronic meeting without the transaction of business. Organizations whose bylaws do not authorize the holding of meetings via electronic means may hold an informal gathering of members via electronic means. At such a gathering, the transaction of business would NOT be in order, but the gathering could incorporate parliamentary workshops, Q&A sessions, and informal discussions. In such a gathering, if the members decided upon any business to undertake in the name of the organization, such action would NOT be the action of the organization unless it was later ratified at a meeting in accordance with the organization’s governing documents. OPTION #4. Bylaws authorize business to be transacted without a meeting. If the organization’s bylaws authorize business to be transacted without a meeting (e.g., by e-mail, by telephone, etc.), this is a way for the organization to tend to pressing affairs without meeting in person. Matters could be discussed informally as shown in OPTION #3 above, and the actual business could be transacted in the alternate form prescribed in the bylaws. OPTION #5. Meet electronically with NAP’s assistance. … Ultimately, the organization’s bylaws, special rules of order, and standing rules will determine which option is appropriate for it.
  14. Answer to Question 5, continued: “Recent developments regarding the spread of the coronavirus (COVID-19) has many unit and association leaders re-evaluating their meeting plans. Several of you have asked for NAP's guidance. “Above all, your health and safety should be the first priority when deciding whether or not to attend an in-person meeting. Your unit or association should err on the side of caution and practice social distancing as advised by national health authorities. It may become necessary to cancel or postpone an in-person meeting. Or, you may opt to conduct meetings electronically. [See] below for information and guidance from NAP National Parliamentarian Timothy Wynn, PRP, on holding meetings by teleconference or other electronic means. “The Board and staff will continue to follow the guidance released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other directives shared by the government agencies. Updates will be provided if any changes occur. Please continue to contact NAP headquarters … with your concerns. “Meanwhile, be vigilant, be safe, be careful, and continue to wash your hands. “Take care, “Darlene T. Allen, PRP President”
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