Guest cerps Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:32 PM Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:32 PM At our last meeting the chair voted to tie a vote and therefore defeat a motion to refer a resolution to a committee. The main motion then passed. Members want to challenge the vote defeating the motion to refer at the next meeting. They argue that: the chair spoke at the meeting therefore the vote was invalid; and, that the ballots were counted incorrectly. Can the vote be challenged on those grounds and how would they proceed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:34 PM Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:34 PM If the ballots were securely preserved a recount could conceivably be ordered. Otherwise it's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:49 PM Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:49 PM They argue that: the chair spoke at the meeting....What does this mean? Spoke in debate? Uttered intelligible words that were heard by others? How would this invalidate the vote?Per RONR, the chair has the right to vote if his vote will affect the result, which was apparently the case on the motion to refer. (Although, if the vote on this motion was by ballot, the chair should have voted at the same time as the other members.) Apparently, there was not a majority who wished to refer the main motion, and there was a majority who wished to adopt the main motion. Nothing wrong with that.If someone thought the ballots were miscounted, the best time to address that was immediately at that meeting. If the ballots have not been secured, there's no good way to know now. As Edgar said, move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:58 PM Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:58 PM Per RONR, the chair has the right to vote . . .If the chair is a member, you can stop the sentence there. If he's not, you can erase it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:59 PM Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 at 08:59 PM If the chair is a member, you can stop the sentence there. If he's not, you can erase it. True, but it seemed that if the chair's vote had not affected the result, this whole thread would not be here, so I was merely drawing that distinction for cerps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted December 5, 2012 at 09:41 PM Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 at 09:41 PM If the vote was by ballot, the chair presumably cast one. If that's the case, then he doesn't get to cast another vote to create a tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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