lorry Posted January 30, 2013 at 04:25 PM Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 at 04:25 PM You folks were so very helpful a couple months ago when my organization was having problems with a power-hungry attorney...so, I'm back again.Same person is trying another power move to retake control of our organization. This is an issue of Delegates' from member clubs being seated and the definition of Alternates being seated as Delegates (with all the proper notification on file as required by our Bylaws) when a Delegate cannot attend.Our Bylaws state: "All nominees for office must be members in good standing of a Member Organization of Region 2 and have had prior experience gained by having served as a delegate for at least one year."Our current Director, just elected and seated this past November, was an Alternate Delegate for one of our Clubs, but sat as Delegate for 2 years never missing a meeting, because of the ill health of the delegate from that club.The current argument being brought forth is that he is ineligible for this office because he was "only" an Alternate for the 2 years he was seated as that Club's delegate and must be declared ineligible for the position, giving an opening for the power team to take over. Problem is always nip and tuck as to whether this power team can manipulate enough delegates at each meeting to have a majority. That's why we need to have backup by RR so we do not lose our people who volunteer their time and efforts for our mission. We do not have specific language within our Bylaws to declare any Alternate, when seated at our meetings, becomes an offical Delegate for that meeting. IDuring our last challenge, I "thought" I saw a provision somewhere in Roberts' Rules that says something to the effect that a Bylaws area may be temporarily suspended for whatever reason...or am I mistaken and the reference was to a motion. In any case, I cannot find that reference in my new 11th Edition. We cannot let this disruptive attorney get away with this and need all the backup and support we can find to slap him down. He tried to get his wife elected to the position and she lost; thus this latest move. Long story you don't want to hear about, but this cat threatens to sue anyone who points out the errors of his ways and continually causes tremendous disruption so we have a hard time keeping control and actually conducting the mission and charge of our organization.Can anyone point me to the right RR area to back up that an Alternate, when properly recognized (credentialed), is seated as a Delegate? I have found the supporting RR rules for the conduct of a Convention, but we are simple an organization comprised of member Clubs who send delegates to our quarterly meetings. We are a middle-man, so-to-speak, in that we are also recogized as one of 18 Regions within the US and Canada for the main organization which does seat our Director as a member of the Board of Directors for that main organization which does hold an annual convention.Hope that is not too much information to just get to the information I need; i.e., does an Alternate officially become a Delegate when seated at the meeting.As always, in great appreciation and thanks,Lorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 30, 2013 at 04:55 PM Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 at 04:55 PM Duplicate post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted January 30, 2013 at 04:58 PM Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 at 04:58 PM Our Bylaws state: "All nominees for office must be members in good standing of a Member Organization of Region 2 and have had prior experience gained by having served as a delegate for at least one year."Our current Director, just elected and seated this past November, was an Alternate Delegate for one of our Clubs, but sat as Delegate for 2 years never missing a meeting . . .The current argument being brought forth is that he is ineligible for this office because he was "only" an Alternate for the 2 years he was seated as that Club's delegate and must be declared ineligible for the position . . .We do not have specific language within our Bylaws to declare any Alternate, when seated at our meetings, becomes an offical Delegate for that meeting.Well, we can't properly interpret your bylaws here (and I'm not sure what any of this has to do with suspending the bylaws) but you might consider that all your bylaws require is that a person served as a delegate (small "d"), regardless of whether he was a Delegate (capital "D") or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted January 30, 2013 at 05:03 PM Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 at 05:03 PM Duplicate post.If one post is 93666 and one post is 93667, which is the duplicate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted January 30, 2013 at 05:42 PM Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 at 05:42 PM If one post is 93666 and one post is 93667, which is the duplicate?The one with the fewest parliamentarily informative responses (not counting "duplicate post" and such as mine here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Hunt Posted January 31, 2013 at 07:09 AM Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 at 07:09 AM Well, we can't properly interpret your bylaws here (and I'm not sure what any of this has to do with suspending the bylaws) but you might consider that all your bylaws require is that a person served as a delegate (small "d"), regardless of whether he was a Delegate (capital "D") or not.Or, more importantly, that they have the experience, which seems to me to leave enough wiggle room to drive a truck through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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