Executive session and posting recordings

[Guest ChrisNull]

There is a post on YouTube where someone recorded an executive session and made it public.

RROR seams to be clear that this is a violation of a closed meeting. The chair even asked everyone to leave ans stated at the 3 min mark that there should be no recordings etc... Some are claiming that they are not breaking any rules. The party constition and  bylaws are silent on this and therefore we abide by RR. Is this post in conflict of the rules it not? Can action be taken?

Edited December 11, 2018 at 04:28 AM by Shmuel Gerber
Link to the recording has been removed by moderator

[Guest Who's Coming to Dinner]

Unless the party votes to make this session public, tt is absolutely a violation of secrecy and the member who posted it may be subjected to disciplinary action up to and including expulsion.

[Guest ChrisNull]

Where would I look to find that? Also what could/should the body so if the chair refuses to allow disciplinary action?

[Guest Who's Coming to Dinner]

RONR (11th ed.), p. 96, ll. 6–7. Also see Chapter XX for disciplinary procedures. Failure of the chair to follow proper procedure is subject to a Point of Order. Objectionable rulings by the chair are subject to Appeal.

[Joshua Katz]

Agreeing with the above, all this assumes there is no applicable procedural law impacting political parties and limiting their ability to close their meetings.

[Josh Martin]

14 hours ago, Guest ChrisNull said:

RROR seams to be clear that this is a violation of a closed meeting. The chair even asked everyone to leave ans stated at the 3 min mark that there should be no recordings etc... Some are claiming that they are not breaking any rules. The party constition and  bylaws are silent on this and therefore we abide by RR. Is this post in conflict of the rules it not? Can action be taken?

 

13 hours ago, Guest ChrisNull said:

Where would I look to find that? Also what could/should the body so if the chair refuses to allow disciplinary action?

“An executive session in general parliamentary usage has come to mean any meeting of a deliberative assembly, or a portion of a meeting, at which the proceedings are secret... A member of a society can be punished under disciplinary procedure if he violates the secrecy of an executive session.” (RONR, 11th ed., pgs. 95-96)

As to the appropriate procedures for disciplinary action, see your bylaws, or see Section 63 of RONR (RONR, 11th ed., pgs. 654-669) if your bylaws are silent. Regarding the chair refusing to allow disciplinary action, I would review the sections on Point of Order and Appeal, and possibly also the section on remedies for abuse of authority by the chair. See RONR, 11th ed., pgs. 247-260, 650-653.

Edited December 7, 2018 at 05:55 PM by Josh Martin

[Guest Guest with similar topic]

On similar area...if we go into closed session to discuss personnel issues - ie; changes in salaries - contracts - etc....once we go back into regular session are those findings from closed session to be announced to everyone in the regular session.  I believe not...but need to confirm.

 

[Richard Brown]

19 minutes ago, Guest Guest with similar topic said:

On similar area...if we go into closed session to discuss personnel issues - ie; changes in salaries - contracts - etc....once we go back into regular session are those findings from closed session to be announced to everyone in the regular session.  I believe not...but need to confirm.

 

Guest Guest...  we would normally ask you to post your question as a new topic (and someone might still do that), but since it is so close to the original  topic I'll answer here.  In the future, though, even if your question seems to fit with an existing topic, we prefer that people post new questions as a new topic.

Nothing in RONR requires you to announce what you did in an executive session.  However, depending on the circumstances, it might be advisable or even necessary as a practical matter to do so.  If you plan to disclose any of what transpired in executive session, the details of that disclosure should be decided while still in executive session.

If this entity is considered a public body, it may well be subject to controlling state laws, such as an open meetings law, which dictate how executive sessions must be handled.

Edited to add:  Please see the following pinned post regarding posting a new question:  https://robertsrules.forumflash.com/topic/25416-important-read-this-first-faq-and-information-for-new-members-and-guests/

 

Edited December 11, 2018 at 09:25 PM by Richard Brown
Added last paragraph

[Guest Who's Coming to Dinner]

36 minutes ago, Guest Guest with similar topic said:

once we go back into regular session are those findings from closed session to be announced to everyone in the regular session.

Who is "everyone"? Do you have guests at your meeting?

[Guest Chris Null]

Thank you for your responses and even the added question. It is partially applicable for me as well.