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  1. Yes, I agree. The quorum requirement would probably have to be in a bylaw provision, anyway, not in a special rule of order.
  2. I agree with the two comments immediately above by Mr. Novosielski and Mr. Martin. In my opinion, the rules of the US Senate are not at all suitable for most ordinary deliberative assemblies. They are specialized rules in the nature of special rules of order that suit the particular needs of the US Senate. Edited to add: if an organization wants a quorum rule similar to that of the Senate so that only a couple of members need to be present to conduct business, that organization may and perhaps should adopt a special rule of order to that effect. Personally, I think such a rule would be a
  3. No, absolutely not. If the vice chairman is presiding, during the time that he is presiding he is subject to the same rules and restrictions as the regular chairman, meaning that in an ordinary assembly he only votes when his vote would affect the result or when the vote is by ballot. In no case does any member ever get to vote twice. Note: in committees and small boards, the rule is different. In committees and small boards of no more than about a dozen members, the chair may participate just as fully as all of the other members. He may make motions, speak in debate, and vote along with
  4. Well, he is supposed to comply with adopted motions and resolutions just as all members are, but forcing him to do so can be a bit problematic since there is no RONR Police Department you can call upon. If the President (or the chair) refuses to abide by adopted motions, he would be subject to disciplinary proceedings which could range from a motion of censure to removal from office and expulsion. RONR has a complete chapter of about 26 pages on disciplinary proceedings. It’s the last chapter in the book, chapter XX You might also take a look at FAQ #20 on the main website regardin
  5. What particular section and subsection of the 12th edition of RONR are you referring to and relying on when you say that the full names of members should not be used in resolutions? The 12th edition does not use articles and Section 23 is about points of order. Also, I don't see what a member's presence or absence has to do with whether his full name may be used in a resolution about him. Perhaps some more details will be helpful.
  6. The minutes of an executive session should be kept separate from the other minutes and should be read and approved only in executive session. See sections 9:26–27 and 48:13 among others. Attaching report to the minutes is perfectly acceptable.
  7. @rbk if this quorum issue at the beginning of a meeting is such a problem, and if members who do not count for quorum purposes are mixed in with members who do count, there seem to be plenty of solutions. The first and easiest is to do as many organizations do and separate the seating of voting members (or members who count for quorum purposes) from non-voting members. That is quite common, especially at conventions, so that the chair can be confident that only voting members are voting. It can be done with a standing rule. If your meetings are taking place online, such as via Zoom, the pr
  8. In my opinion, yes. RONR does not require an actual count, merely a "determination" by the chair that a chair is present. Therefore, it seems clear that if he believes a quorum is present, he may call the meeting to order.
  9. Not unless you have a bylaw provision or a special rule of order to that effect or the meeting is held in “executive session“. Edited to add: See sections 9:24 - 9:27 of the 12th edition of RONR for information on executive sessions.
  10. RONR requires an “election committee”? Do you have a citation for that? I don’t think the term even appears in RONR.
  11. It might help if you give us your definition of an “election committee“, but RONR does not require an “election committee“ at all. If you are referring to a nominating committee, that is not required either. What is the purpose of this “election committee“ that you referred to?
  12. No, not necessarily. No rule in RONR requires him to do an actual headcount before determining that a quorum is present.
  13. As to determining whether a quorum is present at the beginning of the meeting, the way I read 40:11 and 40:12, the chair can call the meeting to order without the necessity of actually conducting a count of the members present. If he believes that a quorum is present and calls the meeting to order, the continued presence of a quorum is presumed unless the chair or a member notices that a quorum is not present. Any member noticing the lack of a quorum can make a point of order to that effect, just as with the rules of the U.S. Senate. Edited to add: regarding actions taken prior the not
  14. I question whether the rules of the U.S. Senate are really considered a "recognized parliamentary manual" or "another work on parliamentary law" in the sense contemplated by §2:18 and 2:19 of RONR (12th ed.). The Senate Rules strike me more as customized special rules of order and standing rules of a specific legislative body which do not have much in common with ordinary deliberative assemblies.
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