Recording apeals

[Guest Minutes and appeals]

something missing in 12 th edition 

Can somebody give good examples on

How to record appeals and rulings  in the minutes

The examples of minutes don't mention them tall:(

[Atul Kapur]

So you're saying the 12th edition has come up short?

"The proposed amendment was ruled not in order because it was not germane to the pending main motion. On appeal, the ruling was sustained."

 

[Guest Missing]

I guess there will always be (tiny) things missing. Even in RONR 

Btw Amendments are not recorded in the minutes so it should be "an amendment" 

Also I was more thinking about how to record:

- points of order decided by the assembly

- appeals (for or against the chairs ruling) 

- decorum cases (do you mention the miscreant ? 

 

 

 

Also how these records can be used as precedent 

 

[Atul Kapur]

1 hour ago, Guest Missing said:

Btw Amendments are not recorded in the minutes so it should be "an amendment" 

Appeals are recorded, "together with the reasons given by the chair for his or her ruling" RONR (12th ed.) 48:4(10). The ruling that was appealed from was about the germaneness of a particular amendment, hence the definite article.

Normally, amendments are not recorded, but I would include it in the minutes (immediately preceding my example) in order to give context to the ruling. RONR (12th ed.) 48:4(7) says that minutes include "secondary motions that were not lost or withdrawn, in cases where it is necessary to record them for completeness or clarity"

[In my example I did not create a specific non-germane amendment.]

 

1 hour ago, Guest Missing said:

Also I was more thinking about how to record:

- appeals (for or against the chairs ruling) 

As I said in my post above: "On appeal, the ruling was sustained."

 

1 hour ago, Guest Missing said:

Also I was more thinking about how to record:

- decorum cases (do you mention the miscreant ? 

RONR (12th ed.) 48:4(11): "the declaration by the chair in 'naming' an offending member as a part of disciplinary procedures, as well as any disorderly words that led to such naming and that the chair directed the secretary to take down (see 61:12–14)."

and 61:14: "The declaration made by the chair in naming a member is addressed to the offender by name and in the second person, and is entered in the minutes."

So, Yes, the name of the miscreant is included because it is part of the declaration when the chair names the offender.

 

2 hours ago, Guest Missing said:

Also I was more thinking about how to record:

- points of order decided by the assembly

"On a point of order that was put to the assembly, the proposed amendment was ruled not germane to the pending main motion."

Again, I would record the proposed amendment.

[Rob Elsman]

If the amendment ruled out of order on account that it was not germane were lengthy, I think it would be fine to give only the gist of it sufficient to clarify for the reader why it was so ruled.