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Rob Elsman

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  1. This topic is eight years old...just saying. 😊
  2. I disagree that the taking of notes in executive session by members other than the secretary has anything to do with parliamentary procedure, so a special rule of order would not be proper.
  3. I believe Mr. Martin means that an assembly is free to adopt a standing rule prohibiting the taking of notes during an executive session, RONR (12th ed.) 2:23-24.
  4. It is certainly possible to Create a Blank by Striking Out, RONR (12th ed.) 12:95, if the "X" is of the nature of items like those listed in RONR (12th ed.) 12:106-111. When the procedure for filling blanks is not appropriate, a subsidiary motion to Amend the main motion can be used to modify "X" by striking out "X" and inserting "Y", RONR (12th ed.) 12:56 or 12:82, as the case may be. There is no procedure in RONR for choosing between multiple, independent proposals, "X" and "Y", side-by-side, so to speak. The hierarchical ranked motions and the order of precedence should be adhered to
  5. Be careful about enumerating the specific offenses (and their corresponding punishments) in the bylaws. Such an enumeration precludes disciplinary action for any other offense not also listed, using Principle of Interpretation 4 in RONR (12th ed.) 56:68. In most smaller organizations and local chapters of larger organizations, such enumerations are usually not necessary, RONR (12th ed.) 56:57.
  6. It is true that having a "smarty-pants" in parliamentary procedure in a meeting full of newbies can give the impression that parliamentary procedures are being "weaponized" to leave the uninformed powerless and frustrated. To get around this sort of thing, the society may want to establish a standing committee on rules, one of the purposes of which would be to promote continuing education in parliamentary procedure. Once members know how to participate effectively in meetings, they can assert themselves properly. The other line of defense against the abuse of authority by the chair is the p
  7. The executive board can adopt its own written orders to the bookkeeper, saying exactly what needs to be said. This will cut out the intermediary and solve the communication problem.
  8. The subsidiary motion to Amend takes precedence over a main motion to which it is applied, so it is handled before the vote is taken on the main motion. RIONR (12th ed.) 12:7.
  9. With respect to the motion, Lay on the Table, it might be helpful to read FAQ #12 at www.robertsrules.com. Here's one pertinent sentence from the response: "In ordinary societies it is rarely needed, and hence seldom in order."
  10. 1.) Yes 2) "Mr. Orange is the winner for the office of President."
  11. Candidates do not stand for election as part of a "ticket" or "slate".
  12. A member can rise when no motion is pending to be assigned the floor to move the adoption of the resolution. If the consideration of the resolution interferes with the established order of business, the member can move to Suspend the Rules that interfere with the immediate consideration of the resolution; this motion to Suspend the Rules requires a two-thirds vote for adoption. When another main motion is pending, a member can move to Lay on the Table the pending main motion and all that adheres to it; if adopted by majority vote, the member can proceed as I have described in the first p
  13. A subsidiary motion to Amend the unapproved minutes requires a majority vote. RONR (12th ed.) 12:7, Standard Characteristic 7.
  14. I do not have enough facts to deal with this particular case, but, in general, the chair has the authority to rule that an amendment is not germane to the motion to which the amendment is being applied.
  15. For ordinary societies that have adopted Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised as the parliamentary authority, there should not be any need for additional voting procedures.
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