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Rob Elsman

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  1. I disagree with Mr. Merritt. Once control of the motion or topic has passed to the parent body, the standing committee loses control, and can have nothing more to say on it, unless the motion or topic is recommitted by he parent body.
  2. The plan to withdraw from the society by withholding renewal is not a resignation, and such a withdrawal is not "accepted" by the society, as would be necessary for a resignation. The "plan" is merely a polite notice that membership may be let to naturally lapse at the end of the term.
  3. If this is the report of a committee, the so-called "sixth point" cannot be presented by the committee unless the main motion or topic is first recommitted by its parent body; the so-called "sixth point" is agreed to be added to the report; and, the modified report is adopted by the committee by majority vote.
  4. Once again, we see that the use of an agenda has fouled things up to the point that no one, including me, can figure out what is going on. On multiple occasions, on this forum, I have recommended that ordinary assemblies that meet at least as frequently as quarterly drop the use of an agenda. The standard order of business can be used without an agenda. So, save yourselves a lot of confusion and just drop the agenda thing.
  5. Thank you for the additional information. "Someone's" motion was apparently in order. It was a main motion. He gets to make the motion because he rose and was recognized before other members. The "proposal" can be offered as a subsidiary motion to Amend in the form of a substitute.
  6. I'm not at all sure the motion that was made was a subsidiary motion to Amend. The way I am reading it, a main motion had not been made and seconded before the chair recognized this other member, who, in my opinion, made the (original?) main motion. That's why I am asking how this "proposal" came to be "up". I do not understand it.
  7. How did this "proposal" come to be "up"?
  8. I think Mr. Brown is spot on. It is preferable to take some definite parliamentary action with a motion over merely making a statement.
  9. If there isn't pizza and beer, I'm not going. 😄😷
  10. Contrary to popular understanding, adoption of a motion to Consider Informally ( one of the three special forms of the subsidiary motion to Commit) does not suspend the rules. The only discernible difference is the relaxation of the limit on the number of speeches that can be made on the question per day. All the "patterns of formality" are in effect. My understanding of the original post is that the poster is wanting something else. I think he wants something more resembling a family discussion around the dining room table. They want to entirely "drop" parliamentary procedure. There
  11. Yes. It is called pizza and beer down at the local watering hole.
  12. This question might be better asked of the professional organizations. The best testimony, in my opinion, is that the Anglo-Saxon model of parliamentary procedure has stood the test of time, as the front matter of RONR (12th ed.) makes clear. Were the test of time not sufficient, the volume of book sales indicates that societies throughout the United States and elsewhere seem to find the procedures in the book very useful for having efficient, interesting, and productive meetings.
  13. Any of the members who voted on the prevailing side can move to Reconsider the vote. The motion requires a second, is debatable, and requires a majority vote for adoption. Assuming the main motion is brought back before the assembly, those who voted on the prevailing side will try to persuade the others to vote in favor of the main motion. Whether this is successful or not will depend on the persuasiveness of the debate, I suppose.
  14. Nothing would prevent a society from casting the motion in bronze and hanging on the wall.
  15. Questions arising out of hypothetical situations are so very often defective. It frequently happens that there is one missing, crucial fact that has been left out or assumed.
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