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Rob Elsman

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  1. The common parliamentary law is that persons who are not members of a body may not speak at all. If your board of aldermen has adopted a rule to permit non members to speak during a dedicated part of a meeting, the rules that govern that part should be followed.
  2. I sense the committee member intends to present a minority report with a recommendation that conflicts with that of the committee. See RONR (11th ed.), pp. 527-529.
  3. A "brand new" applicant is not a member until the authorized power adopts a motion to make him one. If membership is rejected, the treasurer refunds the dues paid.
  4. Rob Elsman


    If, per chance, the chairman of the committee does not agree with the committee's report, it is better for another member of the committee to present the report and make the proper motion to adopt the committee's recommendations.This latter person also will normally open the debate.
  5. They're your bylaws, you tell us. 🙂
  6. A motion to suspend a rule of order that protects, say, one-fourth of the members voting would require a three-fourths vote for adoption.
  7. Yes, after the main motion is amended, it is subject to further amendments, other secondary motions, debate, and a final vote on the main motion.
  8. The chair must decide whether the motion falls within the definition of a "facility upgrade". Any member who disputes the chair's action may raise a Point of Order, which is subject to Appeal.
  9. If a member makes a formal motion to approve the minutes as read, the chair should briefly explain the proper procedure and proceed as he would without such a motion. In any case, the question whether the minutes are approved as read or amended, as the case may be, is not put to a vote; rather, the chair announces the approval after all motions to amend them have been disposed of.
  10. The original post indicated that "[t]he Board has a policy..." only to find out later that this "policy" was really a "corporate" bylaw. As I indicated earlier, "...the additional information changes everything." If fact, my responses to this whole post look like a scrambled egg. I can hardly blame you for being unable to make heads or tails out of them. I was whipping in the wind with the fast-evolving set of facts. After being otherwise reduced to so many strayed electrons, perhaps my previous response is the only one with any lasting value.
  11. It might be worth noting that General Robert could not possibly have been without knowledge of the "three readings" procedural scheme of many legislative bodies. That he and later members of the authorship team over all editions consistently avoided including it in Robert's Rules of Order is telling, I think, of its inappropriateness for ordinary societies. Meaning no disrespect for a society's right to adopt (within the boundaries of the law) its own rules, I feel compelled to speak out against this bylaw, all the more because it is targeted at boards whose very purpose is to react quickly and nimbly to circumstances between meetings of the general membership assembly.
  12. Long-term inmates of this forum can always tell when the Steelers won by the amount of typing Mr. Mervosh is willing to do.
  13. Nothing in RONR requires the circulation of minutes or attachments. The decision to do this is left up to the individual group.
  14. Like an intern working the emergency room, using The Right Book and answering questions on this forum (providing analysis and citations) is absolutely the best way to get up to speed. But... Fear the wrath of Dan. 😟
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