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Rob Elsman

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  1. Since my words are so delicious, I have decided to eat some of them. 😆
  2. Yes, as far as RONR is concerned, members of the general membership assembly who are permitted by the board to attend board meetings are guests who must not try to interrupt or disrupt the proceedings in any way. RONR (12th ed.) 61:19-21.
  3. Were a small minority of the entire membership (at a quorate meeting) able to rescind or amend something previously adopted by unanimous consent with previous notice not having been given, the very purpose of previous notice would have been defeated to the detriment of the rights of absentees.
  4. I think you are looking forwardly at the motion, and I agree with you. But, I am looking backwardly.
  5. In RONR Off. Interp. 2006-18, the breach of the rules arises out of the failure of the chair to announce the correct result of a vote. It is this failure to announce the correct result that is not a continuing breach. Off. Interp. 2006-18 does not establish that failure to give previous notice when it is required is not a continuing breach.
  6. If the contract that was previously adopted was amended to extend its terms, the proper motion was Amend Something Previously Adopted, RONR (12th ed.) §35. If the "old" contract was left to expire, and a new contract was signed, the proper motion was a main motion, RONR (12th) §10. You may wish to consult with an attorney to see which of the two cases above applies. In the first case, the motion can be adopted by a majority vote only if previous notice was given; otherwise, it can be adopted by a two-thirds vote or a vote of the majority of entire membership of the assembly. Ad
  7. However much I agree with Mr. Honemann about the agreement in number between pronouns and their antecedent nouns, the newest manuals on grammar and dictionaries recognize the use of plural forms of personal pronouns to refer to singular antecedent nouns as standard English as part of the "modern" effort to create "gender-neutral" text. All my readers know my opinion about this sort of thing...
  8. If she was told the substance of the presentation she was invited to make, the chair failed in his duty to call attention to her straying and to tell her to either stay on track or finish her remarks. Moreover, she ought not to have been permitted to make remarks about actions of the board taken in the past other than the action about which she was invited to speak. Personally, I do not know why she was invited to speak in the first place. The decision not to ratify was taken. The action is finished. The subject is closed.
  9. Well, @J. J., let me put it like this: For a society having as its bylaws the sample bylaws in RONR (12th ed.), it would not be in order to move to suspend the rules that interfere with adopting a different parliamentary authority for a session. This would be an incidental main motion, and an improper one. RONR (12th ed.) 10:26, item (1). Note, especially, that 10:26 footnote (1) does not apply to the case, because the bylaw with which the suggested motion conflicts is not suspendable.
  10. If you are a voter, you can vote against the school board members in the next election.
  11. If this club has meetngs with more than a dozen or so members, the president does not make motions to introduce new business in order to maintain the appearance of impartiality. Some other member should make an appropriate main motion proposing to do something. This should be done in the New Business section of the established order of business.
  12. Insofar as the rules of RONR (12th ed.) control, a non-member of an assembly is just a spectator and has no right to speak, make motions, or engage in debate (much less vote). It is not unlikely that the board has adopted rules that provide for public comment at meetings. The rules that have been adopted by the board to govern this part of the meeting--whatever they are--must be strictly observed.
  13. It doesn't, Mr. Novosielski. The fact is, though (strike three, you're out!), that a society that has adopted Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised (12th ed.) as its parliamentary authority is bound to observe the rules contained therein. These rules specifically provide for the manner in which certain rules can be suspended when they interfere with doing something in particular. Thus, the form of the incidental motion to Suspend the Rules is like, "I move to suspend the rules that interfere with...". A motion of the form, "I move to suspend the rules in the parliamentary authority" is
  14. Is the mayor a member of the council? In many cities, the mayor presides at council meetings, but is not a (voting) member of the council. If this is the case in your city, the mayor must be careful not to do things that are the exclusive right of (voting) members to do.
  15. I am not really able to follow what is going on. Half the "meeting" seems to be in a board meeting, and the other half seems to be by emails. My guess is that none of the board members, including the president, are sufficiently trained in the use of proper parliamentary procedure, even in the more relaxed setting of a small board. Does your organization have a standing committee on rules? I recommend that most organizations of appropriate size have one. One of the tasks of such a committee would be the constant promotion of proper parliamentary procedure through continuing education.
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