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Rob Elsman

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  1. The passage of time and changing circumstances may make a previously rejected amendment to the bylaws more advisable.
  2. There is no such thing as an "implied amendment". At the board meeting, the report of the committee should be read verbatim; in particular, the recommendations of the committee should be read unaltered. During debate on the main motion, the subsidiary motion, Amend, can be applied to the main motion.
  3. No. If the chairman does not show up for the meeting, a temporary occupant of the chair can be elected to preside. Provided there is a quorum, the meeting can proceed transacting its business.
  4. I disagree with Mr. Brown that General Orders that are not reached are taken up under the category of General Orders at the next session. General Orders that are not reached during a session are taken up under the category of Unfinished Business if the next session occurs within the quarterly time interval. The first three items, (a), (b), and (c) in RONR (12th ed.) 41:23 constitute items of Unfinished Business. Item (c) is the relevant item, here.
  5. It's all water under the bridge. Let it go.
  6. You misunderstood, J.J. The main motion that was invalidly postponed cannot be renewed, because the same main motion is still under the control of the assembly and not disposed of, temporarily or permanently.
  7. As to the third question, no. Renewing a main motion that has already been made and not disposed of is an improper main motion. RONR (12th ed.) 10:26, item 5.
  8. As to the second question, no. A Point of Order does not promote the category of business of the main motion, nor does it set back the time at which the main motion was made. It will take its regularly assigned place among the items of Unfinished Business.
  9. I agree with Mr. Honemann insofar as we have the complete set of facts. However, with Mr. Honemann, I caution that additional facts could change things completely.
  10. If no vice chairman has been named, the committee, under the leadership of an informally agreed-upon member, should elect a chairman pro tem to preside over the meeting.
  11. i think I am missing something, but I don't know what. Can you push me toward a paragraph in RONR?
  12. I would agree, but this is relevant only when previous notice of the motion is required.
  13. Since a member is free to vote for any eligible person, he is also free to nominate any eligible person (including himself, provided he is eligible).
  14. I think a fuller reply than Mr. Honemann has provided might be helpful. Debate on a motion to Amend Something Previously Adopted may extend fully into the merits of the document it is proposed to modify. If I understand the post correctly, it seems the president is incorrect. See RONR (12th ed.) 35:2, Standard Descriptive Characteristic 6.
  15. In my own opinion, the subsidiary motion, Commit, made solely for the purpose of stashing a motion until some further distant time, is not in order on account that the motion is being misused for purposes beyond the purpose given in RONR (12th ed.) 13:1. in lieu of the misuse of Commit, the main motion can have applied to it the subsidiary motion, Postpone Indefinitely. If adopted, the effect of this motion is to kill the main motion--just get rid of it. If the topic becomes more opportune at some later session, the main motion can be renewed.
  16. The item of business would not be categorized as Unfinished Business in the established order of business after the main motion had been postponed; rather, it would be re-categorized as a General Order or a Special Order, depending on the form of the motion to postpone. But, yes, a main motion can be repeatedly postponed.
  17. I continue to sporadically experience this problem that seems to have crept into the software a couple of updates ago. It is certainly frustrating.
  18. in the landscape of RONR, there is no distinction between "action items" and "discussion items" in an agenda. RONR (12th ed.) does not use these terms. As far as the parliamentary practice of ordinary societies in the United States goes, these two terms should be dropped. Instead, substantive items listed on an agenda or program are items of business. These items of business are the orders of the day for the session, divided into the Special Orders and the General Orders. Moreover, in most assemblies of ordinary societies in the United States that meet as least as frequently as the quarterly time interval, it is not customary to adopt an agenda at the beginning of each session; instead, the established order of business is followed, either the standard order of business found in RONR (12th ed.) or a special order of business adopted by the society by rule. For societies that have adopted RONR as their parliamentary authority and have not adopted a special order of business by rule, the standard order of business is generally binding on an assembly. Look how many terms have been italicized! These are all terms of art in proper parliamentary procedure for ordinary societies in the United States. These are the terms that should be in general use.
  19. You might find out how embarrassing it is when it comes out that you extorted him to withdraw his nomination. Just saying...
  20. No, actually this motion to postpone was not in order from the moment it was made, and the main motion was never postponed, because the adoption of the motion to postpone was null and void from the moment the announcement of the result of the vote on it fell out of the chair's lips.
  21. The meeting at which the motion to postpone was adopted ended without the error having been rectified, so the main motion should rightly be considered as having not been disposed of, either temporarily or permanently (assuming the next regular meeting of the board will occur within the quarterly time interval and without the ending of the terms of any of the board's members , which seems to be the case). I cannot find any reasonable status for the main motion other than the status of a main motion the consideration of which is unfinished. What else is there? Let me acknowledge that RONR is a book about how the train properly goes down the track, so to speak. It does not often say what to do to put the train back on the track once it has left the rails. Experience on this forum shows that the train often goes off the rails, and the reader is left to deduce, as best he can, what should happen next.
  22. The facts seem to be that the extra information was included in the report by way of custom. I see no reason to memorialize the custom if it is going to be continued as the established practice.
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