defeated motion

[Guest joel]

Recently, our Board defeated a motion moving a certain amount of monies from the General Fund to a separate account within the Club. Our finance committee recommended a motion to move 50%. Certain board members on their own accord, dismissed the recommendation of the finance committee, and made motion, seconded, debated and the motion failed. Immediately, another motion was made to move 50% of the monies from the General Fund to the separate account. A point of order was raised saying the 2nd motion was out of order and had to wait until our next Board meeting(reference Chapter 10, $38 page

327 RONR 10th edition) " A main motion, or a motion for the same amendment to a given motion, cannot fficient to present substanciallya new question...."

Is this proper or does one need to wait until the next session since it is essentially the same question with a revised dollar amount?

Can anyone elaborate on this? This was almost a priceline.com debacle in which you name your own price until you get what you want.

Thank you

Joel

[hmtcastle]

Is this proper or does one need to wait until the next session since it is essentially the same question with a revised dollar amount?

See Section 37, "Reconsider".

[Guest joel]

See Section 37, "Reconsider".

[Guest joel]

There was never a motion to reconsider. Instead new motion was raised with a different amount.

[hmtcastle]

There was never a motion to reconsider. Instead new motion was raised with a different amount.

Is this proper

No.

or does one need to wait until the next session since it is essentially the same question with a revised dollar amount?

No. That's what the motion to Reconsider is for.

[Rob Elsman]

Recently, our Board defeated a motion moving a certain amount of monies from the General Fund to a separate account within the Club. Our finance committee recommended a motion to move 50%. Certain board members on their own accord, dismissed the recommendation of the finance committee, and made motion, seconded, debated and the motion failed. Immediately, another motion was made to move 50% of the monies from the General Fund to the separate account. A point of order was raised saying the 2nd motion was out of order and had to wait until our next Board meeting(reference Chapter 10, $38 page

327 RONR 10th edition) " A main motion, or a motion for the same amendment to a given motion, cannot fficient to present substanciallya new question...."

Is this proper or does one need to wait until the next session since it is essentially the same question with a revised dollar amount?

Can anyone elaborate on this? This was almost a priceline.com debacle in which you name your own price until you get what you want.

Thank you

Joel

I agree with Mr. Mountcastle that the proper procedure is for a board member who had voted against the first motion to move to Reconsider the vote, RONR (10th ed.), §37, pp. 304ff. The effect of the adoption of this motion is to bring the previously-rejected main motion back before the assembly a second time. Once the main motion is pending upon reconsideration, subsidiary motions to Amend, RONR (10th ed.), §12, pp. 125ff, are in order.

[Guest joel]

Thank you

[Trina]

See also this recent thread, with a related discussion:

[Guest Joel]

It has no been established after the fact that the Point was founded concerning the 2nd motion not being per RONR.

The question is what happens to the 2nd motion? Is it valid? Is it declared void and if so, where is it identified in RONR?

Thank you

[hmtcastle]

It has no been established after the fact that the Point was founded concerning the 2nd motion not being per RONR.

The question is what happens to the 2nd motion? Is it valid? Is it declared void and if so, where is it identified in RONR?

It's too late now to raise a point of order so the second motion stands as adopted though it may be possible to rescind or otherwise amend it. Very little is carved in stone.

[Guest joel]

So even though a Point of Order was brought up prior to the second motion was voted on, it is now too late to do anything about it?

[Josh Martin]

So even though a Point of Order was brought up prior to the second motion was voted on, it is now too late to do anything about it?

Well, apparently the Point of Order was ruled not well taken. You could have appealed the ruling of the chair. So yes, it's too late to do anything about it now. Since the rule in question is suspendable, violating the rule does not create a continuing breach. The second motion stands.

[Guest joel]

I would like to thank everyone who had input. Your knowledge and opinions have been very helpful and informative.

Thank you

Joel